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Subaru Hybrid Postponed to 2008; Turning to Toyota
12 May 2005
The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reports that Fuji Heavy Industries, the maker of Subaru vehicles, will postpone its release of a hybrid car in 2006 due to cost issues in its current design.
Fuji Heavy had been developing a hybrid car using its own powertrain, although the possibility of a Toyota-Fuji Heavy hybrid alliance emerged earlier this year. (Earlier post.)
The earlier report suggested that under the potential partnership, Toyota would supply its hybrid drive system to Fuji Heavy in return for Fuji Heavy supplying Toyota with advanced lithium-ion batteries for use in hybrids.
Fuji Heavy makes only some 590,000 vehicles a year—too low a volume for it to cost-effectively develop its own hybrid technology, which is the path the company has been taking.
According to the latest report, Fuji Heavy has not managed to reduce the production cost of its own hybrid system to the point of being commercially viable, and so is giving up on rolling out the hybrid on the original schedule.
The automaker is now reportedly turning to Toyota’s hybrid technology, with a revised plan of debuting the Subaru hybrid in 2008.
GM is Fuji Heavy’s top shareholder, but the GM-DaimlerChrysler dual-mode hybrid technology under development apparently does not fit the application (or the timing) Fuji Heavy has in mind.
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I am very, very disappointed to read that your hybrid will be 2008. I have 230,000 mi on my legacy and I don't think the car will last till 2008. Then i will have to wait a few more years till i can afford a used one. I would like my next car to be a hybrid and it looks like i will have to look at other brands. thanks
Posted by: lesley morse | Jul 8, 2006 7:48:18 PM
I am extremely disappointed also. I cannot in good conscience buy a gas powered vehicle, and will have to buy a station wagon within the next year. Subaru was at the top of my list, but now you are off my list. I am sorry to say you have lost a customer.
Posted by: Wendy | Aug 22, 2006 4:55:50 AM
After discussing the reliable, safe, environmentally concious, spacious, and cost effective Subaru Outback with a number of owners, I have been investigating the likelihood of a hybrid Outback. Given march 2006 press releases of the FHI / Toyota relationship, I am intrigued by the potential for a unique hybrid (non-suv) wagon Outback. Subaru has the potential to both strengthen its loyal following, in addition to welcoming new individuals into its ownership pool with their interest in a rugged family/outdoor hybrid vehicle who are uninterested in purchasing the currently available SUVs on the market. With the runaway success of the Toyota Prius and simultaneous decrease in fuel guzzling SUVs, an efficient Toyota HSD based Subaru Outback would be on my short list. Considering my last Acura lasted over 9 years (only retired due to a serious road accident which totalled the vehicle) and our current Honda/Acuras are slated to last many more years. I can only hope a hybrid Subaru Outback will be availabile soon to begin the necessary years of refinement and optimization (as occurs in any product that evolves into excellence). The union of the Toyota HSD in the Subaru Outback chassis should do well all around.
Posted by: GR | Aug 22, 2006 10:53:39 PM
Something I noticed the other day while watching television. A Subaru commerical popped up that typical car disclaimer at the bottom of the screen. The first line was "Pricing not available on hybrids" (or something similar). That caught my attention. Why put /that/ in the disclaimer if hybrids are not forthcoming sometime in the relatively near future?
Posted by: M.M. | Sep 22, 2006 10:52:44 AM
Maybe that hybrid will be 2009? Subaru is ending the Legacy Wagon and Outback Sedan. 2008 will just be the Legacy Sedan and Outback Wagon- no mention of any hybrid.
Posted by: Moe | Jan 9, 2007 10:01:44 PM
We are looking to replace our Dodge Durango, and the Subaru Outback is on the top of our list. If there were a hybrid version, I would probably go out and buy one TODAY. Come on Subaru, lets get the hybrids rolling!
Posted by: JMJ | Jan 10, 2007 10:36:57 AM
I will be due for a new car in a few years. I love my Subaru Outback but really would a hybrid for my next vehicle. I hope Subaru gets on the move soon with a hybrid! Otherwise I will be looking at the Toyota Prius.
Posted by: Lori | Jan 14, 2007 1:45:19 PM
I also own an outback and noticed the comercial that indicated "pricing not applicable to hybrids" which immediately caught my interest. I went to the subaru.com website and there's no mention of future hybrid technology being released. Hopefully this message means they are getting close. Via google I saw several articles regarding the subject dated back to spring 2005. Let's cross our fingers that a car that typically used by environmentally sound people will provide a more environmentally sounds alternative.
Posted by: Lara | Jan 16, 2007 8:38:34 PM
I have an Outback that I love. Anticipating a replacement purchase in a few years, I would like it to be another Outback. However, it's got to be either a Hybrid or a duel fuel (gas/ethanol) vehicle to bring me back. PLEASE Subaru, get moving on advanced sustainable technology.
Posted by: Mike Lowell | Jan 24, 2007 12:14:55 PM
I was looking into hybrid vehicles to trade in my subaru wrx for a subaru hybrid model within the next year or so....
sadly it looks like i won't be able to...
whats going on?
Posted by: alyssa | Feb 4, 2007 4:29:08 PM
I have wanted to buy a Baja for years, but the poor fuel economy and lack of a 3rd seat belt in the back row put me off.
I know it is discontinued, but my dream car would be a hybrid baja that can seat 5.
Posted by: Dave Siegel | Feb 8, 2007 10:49:00 AM
Ya know...we need a Subaru Outback that is more efficient. The functionality is superb...except for the gas mileage. Note to Subaru: Please dont make me buy a Toyota Highlander (hybrid)...I really want a fule efficient Outback. Can you hook a brotha up er what?!
Posted by: Rory | Feb 11, 2007 4:00:52 PM
I was just watching "Death of the Electric Vechicle" and wanted to look into buy a Subaru Hybrid. My Forester 99 LTD I have enjoyed driving to 100K and would like to drive it to 500K, but would give that up to save a few tonnes of CO2 emissions to help our future generations enjoy the Earth the way we know it. As a Subaru enthuias, I would be willing to pay $10K premium for a hybrid version of my Forester. Fuji Heavy industries, can you make me such a fine car, but a hybrid version? Thanks.
Posted by: Andy Leung | Feb 16, 2007 12:07:28 PM
I am a current outback owner. It is 7 years old and has 140000 miles and has been a great vehicle. I am disappointed that the hybrid will take so long. May end up having to get something else.
Posted by: Brenda | Feb 17, 2007 9:09:15 AM
In the next 2 years I will be purchasing a new car. That car will be a Subaru if a fuel efficient model is available. I have owned a string of 3 Subarus and would like to continue but you have increased engine sizes and made no attempt to make a green product. The time is here and now to be a leader in the green revolution. Make an all wheel hybrid or other type of fuel efficient Subaru and I will continue buying your cars. But do it soon - the clock is ticking...
Posted by: William Champion | Feb 26, 2007 9:27:12 PM
I have owned a Subaru Forester, 2001, for almost years and love the vehicle. I was sold on the Subaru line but am very disappointed that the company lags so far behind in the development of hybrid vehicles. As much as I love this car, my next one in a few years will be a hybrid.
Posted by: Kathey Morgan | Mar 8, 2007 7:39:10 PM
We also own a Subaru Forester 2001, and have loved it. When we purchased a new car for our 2nd vehicle in 2004, we would have bought a non-SUV Subaru if a hybrid had been available. Instead, we bought a Toyota Prius, and it is wonderful. Within the next two years, we would like to replace the Forester with a fuel-efficient, hybrid SUV. If Subaru has a hybrid Forester out by then, it will probably be our first choice. If not, Toyota Highlander, here we come!
Posted by: Bradley Rymph | Mar 9, 2007 1:59:28 PM
Yeah, hybrid subaru outback sounds great. I've got a 90' legacy that's gonna loose it pretty soon. I'll certainly get my hand on the hybrid one asap. Please make it come out before my legacy kick the bucket!!
Posted by: Paolo Sanguankeo | Mar 17, 2007 4:34:47 PM
Well, in case anyone at FHI actually reads this, we too own a Forester and love it; it's our 2nd Forester. My wife and I have planned to switching to an Outback in the next 2 to 3 years, but, only if it's a hybrid. The Canadian government announced tax rebates on hybrid vehicles yesterday so that just helps solidify our resolve to switch.
Posted by: Mike Charbonneau | Mar 20, 2007 10:14:57 AM
I have had Subaru's for the past 18 years and enjoyed every single one of them : a Justy, Loyale, Legacy and two Foresters. Can you tell I like Subarus? But now the time has come to take action and get a hybrid...so Subaru, get the message?
Posted by: Fabienne Michot | Mar 20, 2007 4:27:20 PM
Add me to the long list of extremely disappointed. I emailed Subaru recently about this. Big surpise- no reply. They were so far ahead of the curve on the AWD but really are blowing the alternative fuels. What a shame. You would think they were an American carmaker with their inability to put out more fuel efficient vehicles. They are blowing it here Subaru is losing this customer if they don't release something soon.
Posted by: Jami | Mar 29, 2007 12:18:21 PM
Kudos big time to all above! - i've owned 8 subarus - a blue legacy wagon, a green outback, a white legacy sedan, a blue impreza hatchback, a blue legacy sedan, a white SVX(my favorite in days of old), a black RS, and currently a Forester- last nite 60 minutes focused on the VERY rapid melting of the Patagonia glacier in The antarctic -there was a 1000 foot bay which just 3 years ago was part of the glacier- 60% of the black chin penquin pups are dieing from lack of food - instead of 300 horsepower hybrid rockets, give us something Subaru that will save Mother Earth's critters for us and our grandchildren - AND QUICK!!!!
Posted by: Paul Bikoff | Apr 2, 2007 11:53:03 AM
My 2002 Prius is up to 135,000 miles, and at 200,000 miles I will seriously think about replacing it with the Subaru hybrid (hopefully in about 2 years). Our family has the Prius and a Forester and have had another outback in the past. We are extremely excited about this upcoming car. I hope there are no more delays.
Posted by: MSD | Apr 10, 2007 9:21:52 AM
My Outback is almost ten years old and will need to be replaced within the coming year. I sincerely hope that you produce a hybrid version of the Outback in the near future. Hybrid's most definitely the way we are going with the next purchase and we need a wagon for our large dogs!
Posted by: Thomas | Apr 15, 2007 6:27:57 PM
99 outback driver, but i too am interested in moving on to a hybrid or alternative-fuel vehicle. i have waited for subaru to develop and release such a vehicle (hopefully and outback or tribeca design due to large dog and child seat), but nothing has come and i was ready to replace my outback 2 years ago.
this is making me look to the toyota highlander suv (gasp!) hybrid. i do not want an suv, but the prius doesn't offer the room for my needs. this is disappointing to say the least.
i really thought that when i bought my outback all those years ago that i was buying into a corporation with vision. we will see if big oil dependence and lack of innovation, initiative, and inventiveness will ruin that image.
i would support a hybrid or alternative fuel efficient subaru outback version. i would buy it tomorrow (as someone else said previously), but it has to happen before too long.
at 8 years and almost 100,000 mi the countdown is on.
Posted by: kali | Apr 30, 2007 9:23:11 PM
Wow people are still posting to this article 2 years later. I have a 2003 Impreza, and I've been looking at the Prius, because it doesn't look like Subaru is going to come out with anything in time. I sure hope they do, I know it probably won't be as efficient as a prius, because of the AWD. I suppose it could be if they somehow powered the rear wheels electrically, so that there could be a 2wd mode. I'm not an automotive engineer, just seems like it could be an option. Would only be AWD at lower speeds I guess though. I heard Subaru and Toyota were trading a bunch of engineers, so hopefully they'll come out with something in the next few years.
Posted by: Derek | May 4, 2007 4:23:44 PM
I agree with the Hybrid Subaru Baja model suggestion mentioned previously.
The versatility of the Baja with the fuel efficiency and environmental benefits of a hybrid would be the ultimate.
Come on Subaru!
Posted by: Lisa Lombardo | May 6, 2007 1:42:16 PM
I've got an '04 Outback and will buy a hybrid version as soon as it's available - hurry up subaru
Posted by: Tim | May 13, 2007 4:33:11 PM
Let's face it... The best solution for better fuel economics is for us to nuke the crap out of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait and take the oil for ourselves. Then no one would need a hybrid vehicle, because gas would be < $1.00 per gallon.
Posted by: Ron | May 14, 2007 1:09:24 PM
Ron, how can you be so absolutly correct. Although gas would still cost about 85 cents a gallon for premium. Oh well... :0)
Posted by: eric | May 16, 2007 7:15:56 PM
I need a wagon or suv for my pets and would be in a Camry hybrid wagon if they made it. Subaru has lost it's edge. Marginal fuel economy with premium fuel requirements on many models is no way to "tread lightly" on the enviroment. Looks like the Highlander or Escape are my only choices for now. I will give Subaru till the 2009 model year and then will replace my wagon; unless Toyota beats them to the punch.
Posted by: David | May 19, 2007 6:18:26 PM
Driving a 2001 Subaru wagon that is getting to look pretty seriously beat up on Brooklyn streets, but I will wait for a Subaru hybrid if I don't have to wait too long.
My 8-yr old is one of Al Gore's little soldiers and won't let me buy anything but a hybrid!
Posted by: Ann | May 21, 2007 11:52:05 AM
Remember all that 2008 model for subaru are coming in august 2007. As a former subaru tech for 18 years that tries to stay informed on rumors it would not surprise me to see the turbo diesel hybrid in the next two years.
Posted by: Orlando | May 22, 2007 9:37:27 PM
I've never owned a new car b/c they are pretty bad investments $$ wise. However, I have had my heart set on a wagon forever, especially one with AWD. Now if I could find one that was a hybrid that would be FANTASTIC! Please suburu..... please.... My old taurus has 199,219K on it and it's not going to last much longer!!! Or you can just pick me to road test one for about 5 years :) That would be super!
Posted by: Nina | May 28, 2007 9:26:37 AM
I have been a Subaru owner for 20 years, and have been waiting patiently for a hybrid version. I have looked at all the other available hybrids and they just don't meet my needs. I need a Subaru Outback wagon with a Hybrid. I don't want a SUV, and I don't want a sedan. I have read that a turbo diesel hybrid is being tested on the tracks, and that they were hoping to launch it in the new Impreza this year, but it wasn't ready. Lets all cross our fingers. Cmon Subaru!
Posted by: mtnplay | Jun 5, 2007 7:57:28 PM
I'm driving an (expletive omitted) Ford Windstar and we would dearly love to trade it in in about a year for a hybrid Subaru Outback or Forester. If none are available we'll have to go to Toyota. (I was also hoping for a hybrid Honda CRV, but it looks like they've nixed plans for that - too bad.) How many customers has Subaru lost in the past three years because they weren't on top of the hybrid "revolution"? They can't even give us a date to start hoping for one. It's really a shame.
Posted by: cghipp | Jun 8, 2007 8:59:22 PM
Everyone I know in Colorado drives either a Subaru or a Prius. If Subaru came out with a hybrid that gets in the high 30 mpg range I guarantee that they would stop buying Prius'.
Posted by: Denverman | Jun 14, 2007 5:43:10 PM
I am a 1995 Subaru Impreza owner with 217,000 miles on my car and it is rapidly becoming a rust bucket. I have been waiting - waiting - waiting for Subaru to come out with a hybrid. I read earlier articles that said the 2008 model year was the year, but I don't see any progress. Subaru- I can't wait any longer. You are going to lose a devoted customer.
Posted by: Jeff Robins | Jun 22, 2007 7:15:42 PM
Hello:
I wanted to trade in my 2002 Suburu Outback LL Bean for a hybrid. I ended up buying a 2006 Honda Accord Hybrid. I traded the Suburu for a Outback 2008. I could not believe they could improve the 2.5 LL Bean model BUT THEY DID!!!!! I love it and still wish I could get a Suburu Hybrid. I like all the others want them to present one on the market soon. I never buy the first year so I anticipate getting another vehicle in 2009 or 2010 God willing.
Posted by: Patricia Weatherman | Jul 9, 2007 3:05:53 PM
I have a 2000 Subaru Outback that has been very good to me, and I want to pass it on to my teenage son and buy a new car for myself. I want a Subaru, I want a hybrid, and I need a wagon. My other son is disabled and I have to have a car that is big enough for his wheelchair. A sedan won't cut it. I have to make a car buying decision within the next two weeks and have been completely frustrated by what is available. I had hoped that Subaru would have introduced its hybrid by now, but no such luck. Subaru touts itself as a green company yet can't seem to come up with a hybrid vehicle.
Posted by: Mary Hoffman | Jul 23, 2007 6:48:57 AM
I've never owned a Subaru, but the Outback has always appealed to me, and as Subaru has a great reputation among (and good relationship with) Earth scientists in the U.S., I have been keeping an eyeball out for when Subaru will announce the Outback hybrid dream car. I know the Baja is being discontinued, but I've also considered that (if it could be jacked up a couple of inches, too) in a hybrid. Count me among the deeply disappointed that these are delayed, and I've seen no mention of an Outback hybrid at all!
Posted by: Jerry D. Harris | Aug 16, 2007 6:39:43 PM
I can't believe that Subaru is so tight-lipped about the hybrid option. Surely this environmentally conscious car company is working on somthing, As earlier posts suggest, potential buyers are being forced to look elsewhere.
Show mw some specs on an Outback hybrid and I will send in a deposit TODAY!
Posted by: Jim | Aug 22, 2007 12:55:25 AM
i need a new car that can carry me to the places i board and of coarse i thought of Outback, I want it bad, but i would rather slide off a mountian than spend money on a gasoline dependent car in a 2008 model!
come on Subaru, help us out so we can all sleep at night.
Posted by: kevin | Sep 9, 2007 9:45:00 PM
Drive a 2007 Legacy Sedan. Love the car overall, does well at highway speeds with 30+ mpg. However at city speeds it goes way down to about 20. Hybrid technology would really up that city mpg and help some with the hwy. Please Subaru, make a Subaru hybrid a reality. I love my Legacy, but may trade it in on a Toyota in a year or two if there's not a Subie Hybrid out by then.
Posted by: Brian | Sep 10, 2007 8:20:21 PM
Drive my '99 Outback a lot on cold Ontario back roads and hope that Subaru deals with the impact -40 degree conditions has on their "eventual" hybrid batteries. Having to pay for even more battery heaters may nix any driving efficiency benefits. And you can forget about a "pure" electric car in the Great White North!
Posted by: Kerry | Sep 11, 2007 10:18:16 AM
So do we wait another year on Subaru??
Posted by: hhuey | Sep 13, 2007 12:26:33 PM
I plan on replacing my 2003 Jeep Liberty within two or so years. It would be great if a hybrid Outback hits the market sometime between now and then (2009 model?). I'm sure the Subaru dealerships are counting the days as well. Perhaps a portion of the profit from the sale of each of Subaru's "green-line" vehicles could be given to a global fund for environmental conservation (think "Product red").
Posted by: Ben Shaffer | Sep 19, 2007 7:03:05 AM
I have been waiting for Subaru to come out with a hybrid.
I have been waiting to trade in my older car for an all wheel drive or 4 wheel drive medium sized car. I dont want an over sized SUV and thought a subaru would be a perfect fit. Why cant someone create a medium sized
hybrid 4 wheel drive?
Posted by: jano | Oct 16, 2007 12:26:01 PM
I'm also waiting for a hybrid AWD Subaru, but I may have to get a Toyota Highlander when they come out. Although Subaru said 2008, it's October 2007, and where is it? I really can't afford one yet, but the earth can't afford all this exhaust either. And Tim, even if we steal all the oil, it will still pollute too much and then it will run out.
Posted by: Theresa | Oct 21, 2007 4:03:50 PM
I'm currently driving a 2005' Outback 2.5i gaz & LPG, 'love that car which I consider as some of the finest piece of automotive engineering.
I believe that Subaru's commitment to develop a diesel engine was a mistake and that it would have been much wiser to get into hybrid. I hope the time and money wasted in a 20th century technology (diesel) will not put Subaru away from EV and HEV for a long time...
Instead of trying to eventually catch a few tdi quattro audi's customers in Europe, it would be smart to listen to your actual customers all over the world, who are desperately waiting for HEV subaru's.
You might just loose many of us, which would be sad after having been so much ahead of all the others with the symmetrical AWD and the Outback.
Posted by: alain | Nov 4, 2007 3:33:26 AM
ps: a JET-A1 version of that light 2.0L 150HP turbo diesel boxer engine would be great for light aircrafts (Cesna's...), but please forget it for cars and give us HEV outbacks :)
Posted by: alain | Nov 4, 2007 3:46:42 AM
I'm amazed at all of the whining put forth here. The need for instant gratification has never before been so reliable to put a spotlight on one's lack of common sense.
We buy from Subaru because they make high quality products. I want a Subaru hybrid like everyone else, but for a completely new product like this one I'm willing to wait for them to be satisfied with their design before it goes on the market. If you're so dissatisfied with Subaru's not meeting your own timetable that you'd go to a different manufacturer, most likely in time it will be your loss.
Posted by: Matthew | Nov 11, 2007 2:10:05 PM
Will be first in line for a Subaru Outback hybrid, the suspense is killing me. Can't wait to turn in my VW Jetta and my fiance's Jeep!
Posted by: Christina | Nov 16, 2007 5:22:54 PM
I'll be in the market for a hybrid all wheel drive wagon - NOT AN SUV - around June '08. I hope it can be a Subaru.
Posted by: Frank Eichenberg | Nov 24, 2007 9:19:49 AM
I am seriously in need of a new car because my trusty outback wagon (stick shift) is getting sloppy gears at 150,000 miles. Also my clutch will need to be replaced (for the first time). I also have back and hip issues and need to migrate to automatic for the first time in my life. I love my outback and need AWD. I have been waiting for Subaru to com out with a hybrid but time is getting short for my car and my sciatica. God help me I am seriously looking at a Ford Escape. Please Subaru release a hybrid in the U.S.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 5, 2007 1:19:03 PM
Hey Subaru! The only thing that will get me to part with my Baja is it wearing out, theft, destruction or you making a hybrid version. My wife and I have been only driving our "roos" for 12 years but we love 'em! My wife has been making noise about a hybrid for a few months now. Even though she loves her Forester "Nici", she wants to go green. I'm not sure how long I can hold her off. Please get going on those hybrids!
Posted by: Ken | Dec 18, 2007 2:34:12 PM
I've owned two Subaru's, one legacy sedan and a 2003 Outback. Both were great cars! I decided I wanted a vehicle that got better mileage, so I sold my (super) Outback and bought a new Prius. I love my Prius, but need an all wheel drive vehicle. I will buy whichever comes out first, an all wheel drive Prius or a Subaru hybrid. They are both great cars, but I need a combination of the two.
Posted by: GN Stach | Dec 21, 2007 10:26:05 AM
reply to Matthew | Nov 11, 2007 2:10:05 PM
I agree with you on the bottom line, but:
- I believe the point of all this is to express Subaru's addicts wishes to see HEV versions hit the market soon.
- since Subaru now has industrial partner-ship with the HEV uncontested leader (Toyota), and Toyota just released an appealing medium size HEV (Camry), Subaru's HEV perspectives are getting even more exiting !
For you US folks riding subaru's, and from my European point of view, a 2.5i outback is quite a performer on CO2 compared to all these huge SUV on your roads so don't blame yourself excessively ;)
Posted by: alain | Jan 2, 2008 9:01:48 AM
I've had two Outbacks, a 1993 Turbo that was a road-rocket but had a sponge in the gas tank...and a 1999 Outback. Both were more fun to drive than what I have now, a 2006 Lexus RX400h. It's great (if you like driving a bus-like SUV). I can't wait to trade it in for a hybrid Outback. I'm hoping that the 2009 Outback will offer a hybrid...
Posted by: Tom | Jan 7, 2008 5:59:42 PM
No offense, but I believe the RX400h is useless, though it's an interseting step on hybrid R&D.
In the Euro polutions norms, the outback 2.5i is rated at 200 CO2 grams per kilometer (180 grams when it runs on LPG). The RX400h is rated at 190 CO2 grams per km.
So for a similar CO2 emission rate and mpg figures, if buy an Outabck 2.5i rather than a RX400h you get :
- more value for money (30000 EUR vs 55000 EUR !), ok the RX400h features mores gadgets and refinements but for almost twice the price !
- better handling/cornering because the outback is lighter (3300lbs vs 4400lbs) and has a lower gravity center
- similar over all real world performance : the RX400h is better on highways (more torque and power vs weight), but the outback is faster on turny B-roads.
- proven, reliable, hasseless mechanics ; cheaper operation (smaller size tires cost less and wear less because of lighter weight and less power and torque)
bottom line is the lighter the better :)
Posted by: alain | Jan 8, 2008 3:03:55 AM
My growing family is counting on you Subaru. I drive a 2000 Plymouth Breeze, it has been great to me. But is getting to small. I do not want a Mini-van, nor do I like SUV's.
Lets keep life Green for our new generation! Move it along Subaru. My family is counting on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope Toyota helps out. We were getting a Prius until baby #3 jumped aboard.:} We need that Hybrid Outback tomorrow!
Posted by: Mich | Jan 20, 2008 5:54:56 AM
Looks like we can forget about complicated, expensive 500 volt battery powered, computer software loaded, Hybrid Suubies. Subaru is right now introducing the world's first ever Boxer-Diesel to Europe !! Spring of 2008. Most diesels run at least 30% to 40% more efficient than gas counterparts, and are now 50 state clean in USA. I so much look forward to a 40 mpg diesel Outback right here in the USA with AWD for winter traction. Sign me up. I had a diesel VW for 5 years/60,000 miles, loved the low rpm torque and the average of 48 mpg. And extremely low depreciation was most excellent. Modern diesels are not noisy, not smelly, not loud, nor hard to start below zero. I only wonder about how much blast-furnace heat we can expect in the cabin, however, as that was the weak link in my old VW diesel. But the heated seats helped.
Posted by: Red | Feb 4, 2008 1:06:26 PM
- Considering this 2.0D boxer engine has been developed mainly at Europeans Subaru dealers demand 'coz they need a diesel to boost their currently insignificant sales (at least 70% of the market in Europe is diesel),
- Considering that the production capacity is probably limited (at least for the first couple of years),
=> I would be surprised that many diesel boxer will be available for USA/Canada in a near future.
modern diesel engines are a temporary solution for :
- lower CO2 production than petrol (-30%) or lpg (-20%)
- lower running cost than petrol (but similar to LPG)
but they have down sides :
- more complicated and expensive to design and manufacture,
- less reliable (high pressure fuel injection), specifically with careless users (turbo)
but diesel is, like petrol and LPG a short term solution, we are getting close to the pic oil.
plugin HEV is an intermediate solution to push the end of oil dependency a couple of decades further.
100% EV is the future. Near future for 100% small sub-urban vehicles, not so close for family size ones.
Posted by: alain | Feb 13, 2008 3:03:44 AM
I am on my third subaru, but will not buy another one unless it is a hybrid.
Posted by: Andrew Willner | Mar 28, 2008 4:06:25 PM
Any idea whether the subaru hybrid is still planned for this year?
Posted by: Leah | Apr 22, 2008 12:53:45 PM
Subaru is long overdue for a hybrid vehicle.
While they have made some strides towards eco-friendliness (i.e. Partial Zero emissions engines on selected models), they are far behind the curve when it comes to leaving a low carbon footprint.
Come on Subaru! get with it! I own a nearly new Outback wagon (11K miles) and would trade it in for a hybrid equivalent in a second.
Posted by: Ed Miszkiewicz | May 20, 2008 1:31:32 AM
Does anyone know when subaru outback hybrid will be introduced?
Posted by: badari | Jun 6, 2008 2:09:23 PM
Does anyone know when subaru outback hybrid will be introduced?
Posted by: badari | Jun 6, 2008 2:10:10 PM
I live in California and everyone I know is trading in for a Hybrid car. I love my WRX and need to trade it in soon. Please release a Hybrid soon.
Posted by: KR | Jun 9, 2008 2:37:04 PM
It is inexplicable that Subaru has let yet another year go by and still no hybrid Outback or Forester is being released. I just checked their website hoping for some mention of a hybrid for the 2009 lineup. No dice. About 18 months ago I went into a local Subaru dealer and asked when Subaru would be coming out with a hybrid Outback. The dealer told me there was nothing on the horizon and it would be awhile. I was quite surprised they didn't tell me, "Next year," since even at that time it was clear that hybrids were the wave of the future. How could Subaru drag their feet so badly on this? Now that gas is $4.00/gallon, they are probably kicking themselves. But how can they not even mention plans for a hybrid Outback or Forester on their website? They leave us to think they've given up altogether. If they would just give us some details, people like me and so many of you above who have been waiting for years to replace their Subaru with a hybrid Subaru could at least have some hope and make some plans. Like many others above, I am now considering the Prius or Highlander, as well as the numerous other hybrids introduced by other carmakers in 2008. Subaru has truly dropped the ball with this lack of hybrid development. A hybrid Outback would be the dream of a huge slice of buyers, equalling a nice market share for Subaru. Yet Subaru seems aloof on this whole topic, as if they think they can afford to keep losing customers who are buying other hybrids. I understand wanting to wait until they develop a truly reliable and efficient hybrid vehicle. However, Subaru owners are so loyal they would have been willing to buy a just slightly imperfect Subaru hybrid and be guinea pigs, taking a few lumps in the name of helping Subaru develop a better car, and pay to do it!..just so they could still have a Subaru and to help Subaru perfect the machine. Sadly, this is obvious to everyone else except Subaru, as is the fact that Subaru is losing customers who are buying other makers' hybrids. I don't think I can hang on to my 1996 Legacy much longer either and wait for a Subaru Outback hybrid. Toyota's Prius or Highlander is looking better and better as I get more needy for a new hybrid car. Does anyone know when Subaru plans to release a hybrid? They seem only to release info about their all-electric small car.
Posted by: Jerry Lippert | Jun 11, 2008 9:00:34 PM
I asked the question directly of Subaru, and below is the response I got today. It is more of the same. The delay on the Subaru hybrid only continues into the foreseeable future. They don't seem yet to understand we want a real hybrid. They tout some admirable things--an electric car in the works, low emission vehicles, higher mileage standard vehicles, etc. Yet, these things are not a hybrid and they don't seem to understand we want a gasoline/battery hybrid, an Outback or Forester that gets 40 m.p.h. or at least 35, so we can save money/gas while driving a Subaru car that's not solely electric. To their credit, they responded to my question quickly. If only they would have responded quickly to what all of us want by making a hybrid! Here is their response, with my original email to Subaru at the bottom:
Hello Mr. Lippert,
Thank you for visiting the Subaru Web site and for your inquiry regarding our plans for more fuel-efficient and environmentally-friendly vehicles.
Subaru understands how important fuel economy is to its customers and has a long-standing commitment to safeguarding the natural environment that so many of our customers avidly enjoy. As part of that commitment, Subaru is working to deliver lower fuel consumption and higher emissions standards in its current and future Subaru vehicles.
Recently, Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI), our parent company introduced the world's first turbo diesel boxer engine for sale in European markets. Mr. Mori, FHI Chairman, has indicated that a U.S. diesel model should be available States-side in the next few years.
FHI is also committed to developing electric vehicle technology. The Subaru R1e is our vision of the future. Based on the Subaru R1 minicar sold in Japan, the R1e was developed by Subaru in partnership with the Tokyo Electric Power Company, Inc. (TEPCO). As part of a U.S. test program, two of the Subaru R1e electric cars will join the New York Power Authority (NYPA) fleet. The two-seat Subaru R1e is capable of driving at speeds up to 65 mph with a range of up to 50 miles. It can be charged up to 80 % capacity within 15 minutes or fully charged overnight at home using a regular domestic outlet. Subaru is committed to being a world leader in electric powered vehicles. Subaru is committed to being a world leader in electric powered vehicles. The R1e is already proving itself in major urban areas such as Tokyo and London. The R1e has already been nominated by the Japanese government for an award known as the ‘Commendation for Global Warming Prevention Activity. Tell us what you think, copy and paste this link into your web browser: http://www.subaru.com/sub/misc/2009/nyautoshow/r1/index.html
Also, through Fuji Heavy Industries financial ties with Toyota Motor Corporation, the two companies are actively studying the development of Toyota's Hybrid System for use on Subaru engines. For more information, visit:
http://www.subaru.com/sub/misc/environment/index.html?from=topNav
At this time, we do not have any specific information as to when or if Subaru will offer a hybrid vehicle.
Subaru's current line-up also has strong environmental credentials. Many Subaru vehicles come equipped with SI-DRIVE. The new SI-DRIVE system allows the driver to maximize engine performance, control and efficiency by choosing from among three selectable modes – 'Intelligent,' 'Sport' and 'Sport Sharp' – using a rotary dial on the center console. When operating a vehicle in 'Intelligent' mode – the vehicle can achieve as much as a 10 percent improvement in fuel efficiency.
Subaru offers the most fuel efficient All-Wheel Drive vehicle lineup in America and since 2003, Subaru has also been offering Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (PZEV) certified Legacy, Outback and Forester 2.5L naturally aspirated models for sale anywhere in the U.S. Subaru PZEV vehicles meet California's Super-Ultra-Low-Emission Vehicle exhaust emission standards. Gasoline vehicles meeting PZEV emissions standards can have even lower emissions than hybrid or alternative fuel vehicles. Subaru PZEV vehicles are also U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Certified SmartWay™ Vehicles and are honored in the EPA's Green Vehicle Guide:
http://www.epa.gov/emissweb/
Not only does Subaru recognize the importance of alternative fuel technology, it also realizes that clean vehicles are just one component of a clean environment. The Subaru plant in Lafayette, Indiana was the first auto assembly plant in the U.S. to achieve zero landfill status - nothing from its manufacturing efforts goes into a landfill. It is all reused and recycled. For nearly three years, our Subaru plant has produced zero landfill waste. 100% of the by-products produced from fabricating manufacture are reclaimed. In fact, when you carry out your trash at home on the next collection day, you'll be sending more trash to landfill than the entire Subaru manufacturing plant does in a year.
We appreciate that you took the time to inquire about our vehicles and future technology. We hope that this information gives you more insight about our hybrid, electric and alternative fuel programs, and our environmental efforts as a whole.
If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Thank you for the opportunity to be of service.
Best wishes,
Gina Holwell
Subaru of America, Inc.
Customer/Dealer Services
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Dear Subaru, We really would like you to release a hybrid Outback or Forester soon! You are losing customers left and right because you seem to be ignoring the hybrid market. Please see all of the posts at the following website: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/05/subaru_hybrid_p.html. Thank you, Jerry Lippert
Posted by: Jerry Lippert | Jun 13, 2008 3:08:56 PM
Just one more Outback owner adding his voice to the general chorus - "Subaru, give us an Outback hybrid!"
Posted by: Hal Kent | Jun 17, 2008 9:20:19 PM
I've been waiting for a hybrid for several years. Loved the look of the B5-TPH, but it doesn't seem that will ever happen.
It seems that two or three separate models are needed. Something along the design of the B5 for the Impreza driver that wants something diferent (maybe that's why the WRX is so popular - it's different). An Outback Wagon and a Forester all with a hybrid system.
Had Subaru answered the call several years ago with the B5 or similar the Prius would not be as dominant as it is.
I realize that Honda gave up on the Accord hybrid, but they went after a market segment that isn't generally associated with Honda - performance. When I think Honda I think fuel economy and I bought an Accord hybrid.
Subaru has a unique niche - AWD, but this is beginning to appear on more vehicles and if they wait much longer a Suubie hybrid won't seem so unique.
I still own my '96 SVX as it was too nice to part with even with 170,000 miles. The Accord Hybrid is nice but it doesn't have AWD and a boxer engine. The B5 would get rid of my Accord in a heartbeat.
If they won't make a gasoline-hybrid, then maybe a Turbo-Diesel-Hybrid. Diesels like to be kept at a static RPM and a Hybrid is good at doing that. The turbo would then supply acceleration.
Posted by: Joey W | Jun 18, 2008 11:24:35 AM
My 97 Outback went kaput last summer. It was like losing a good friend. I would have replaced it with a Hybrid Outback in a heartbeat - but bought a Prius instead.
As far as I'm concerned, the Prius is just a placeholder for a hybrid Outback. I want to have another Subaru - but 48 mpg is impossible to pass up.
Posted by: alli | Jun 24, 2008 9:29:32 AM
If the outback hybrid went on sale today I would by it tomorrow My current legacy wagon has more than 200000 miles on her and when she was totaled I had her rebuilt from salvage. I was hoping for the new hybrid wagon this year I guess Ill just have to wait :(
Posted by: Jaimek | Jul 8, 2008 5:00:07 PM
In the last 2 years we traded in our Ford Expedition & F150 for a 2006 Outback & 2008 Legacy. We LOVE Subaru!! We will still with Subaru (until we need a truck). There is NO comparison of Subaru's AWD to a front-wheel or 4WD vehicle. I can run circles around other vehicles in the snow & ice (literally). Hopefully Subaru has a hybrid when it's time to trade our Outback, but if they don't we will still buy another Subaru.
Posted by: SubaruFamily | Jul 26, 2008 10:56:35 AM
I have owned three Subarus: one Legacy Wagon and 2 Foresters. I see the Tesla and the Mini cooper are building all electric cars that are fast and will hold a charge for up to 300 miles and travel up to 120 mph. You are behind in your technology if you plan to manufacture a Subaru EV with only 60 miles capacity on a single charge! My next vehicle will be zero emissions so your stalling to create a super EV means you may lose yet another devotee. Too bad you were too conservative and not ahead of the Prius trend. I won't buy a Prius because I prefer AWD. Please don't disappoint me---get rollin' on improved EV technology!
Posted by: lisa | Jul 28, 2008 12:52:34 PM
I live in a suburb of Tulsa, OK, and on the same day last week, my husband saw two Subarus in town that had a Hybrid badge on them. He said they were the same model, and they looked like a Mazda 3 hatchback. He and I have been talking about buying a hybrid in the next couple of years, and after he saw those Subarus, he came home and said, "I didn't know Subaru made a hybrid." Later that evening, we looked on Subaru's website, but we found nothing about this car he saw. When he saw the Tribeca on Subaru's website, he said, "That's what they looked like, only smaller." Since I wasn't with him, I now question his sanity! He swears, though, that they both had Subaru Hybrid badges on the back. When I get a chance, I plan to go to the local Subaru dealer and ask someone. My husband thinks maybe they're not for sale yet, and salespeople from the dealerships are driving them around to see what kind of interest they bring. Subaru should know that they would bring a huge interest.
Posted by: Kristie | Oct 7, 2008 9:59:38 AM
subaru exiga I guess.
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20071112/142232/
looks like some kinda 7 seater AWD hybrid legacy, and it wild be sold (at least) in Japan next year.
It's probably the hybdrid power train seen in the B5-TPH protoype 3 years ago but this time based on either the 2.0 150HP boxer seen in Euro versions of the legacy, forester and impreza, or the 225HP 2.5 turbo of the wrx, legacy GT and forester.
If subaru comes to a similar version of the outback, it would make sens to consider the 170HP 2.5L of the legacy PZEV as the 2.0 150HP would be a bit limited when travelling on hilly roads, especially when towing : the hybrid power does not help much when it comes to climb for a while, or when towing heavy stuff.
The 225HP 2.5 turbo + hybrid is certainly a pleasant option for automotive enthusiasts, but the naturally aspirated 2.5L 170HP + hybrid would be a more realistic compromise for
people concerned with reducing their suburb CO2 emission while keeping decent towing abilities over hilly roads.
Posted by: alain | Nov 17, 2008 7:04:39 AM
I WANT TO BUY A SUBARU HYBRID WAGON (OUTBACK OR FORESTER) WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR!! My current car is about 10 years old and I'm about to start a family--I need a new reliable car but am SOOO disappointed that Subaru does not offer any hybrids!!! It's 2008--where are they? Sadly, I will have to look to other auto companies.
Posted by: Lisa | Nov 25, 2008 8:08:40 AM
