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GM–Toyota Fuel-Cell Talks Stall

30 July 2005

Kyodo. Progress on defining a joint venture between Toyota Motor and GM to develop fuel cell cars has stalled over the terms of sharing intellectual property rights and the results of joint research.

Failing to clear even that fundamental barrier has prevented negotiations on the specifics of the proposed joint venture.

GM and Toyota have been exploring ways to pool their resources (and reduce their costs) in developing fuel cell cars since May when GM Chairman Wagoner visited outgoing Toyota President Cho.

New Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe has said Toyota and GM should decide quickly on the proposed joint venture.

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May the talks forever stall! Auto makers are considering hydrogen because they know petroleum resource is dwindling. But they, their PR hacks and the car-addicted consumer have yet to conclude that the Hybrid drivetrain is the only option for sustainable amounts of travel in a way of life that achieves goals by means other than driving.

The Hybrid IS the quintessential electric car. Will the captains of industry relinquish their control at the helm of a titanic vessel recklessly powering through uncharted seas? Boycott General Motors!

I agree. I don’t think that hydrogen is the answer. We should be doing a lot more research before we even think of building “hydrogen highways”. It seems like electric vehicles are a much better option, since they wouldn’t require us building an entirely new infrastructure. Powering a car with electricity is more efficient than generating energy, using it to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then using the hydrogen to power our cars. Plus, we’re much closer to affordable high-capacity batteries than we are to affordable hydrogen fuel cells.

I agree with the comment above. Battery technology and plug-in hybrids are definitely where most efforts should be going.

After we have that technology, we can work on cleaning up the power grid and cleaning up the ICE fuel.

That, along with the use of lighter materials and making smaller cars could provide great efficiency benefits. Better than waiting for the hydrogen economy.

This Toyota/GM joint venture, which might have culminated in an early release of fuel cell vehicles to the market, was the only hope for this technology. As it is, the state of California should "about face" and shift "hydrogen highway" monies to the construction of a network of 20kw "fast charging" stations for battery electric and plug-in hybrid cars. The two, much easier to develop, technologies limiting BEV and PHEV success have been batteries and fast charging technology.

The Plug-in Hybrid can actually provide one of the empty promises of the hydrogen fuel cell car: a reliable homepower supply that in the event of an emergency or price gouging will be invaluable. Hydrogen cannot be generated and stored at household level. But, rooftop photovoltiac solar panels can recharge the battery pack of a Plug-in Hybrid. What hydrogen hype promised and never intended to deliver, the Plug-in Hybrid can do.

Plug-in Hybrids need not even be built ultra-light. A full-size Ford Explorer with a Plug-in Hybrid drive train can be driven many battery-only miles. Depending upon how far any heavier Plug-in Hybrid is driven daily, average mileage gain can still be phenomenal.

The greater problem with autos is not their emissions or even their size; it's the amount of miles they must be driven because 'choice' has been systematically eliminated, and not their size but their reckless speed. When the Plug-in Hybrid is driven short distances, this supports the growth of local economies, by which over time more destinations can be reached without always having to drive. Walking, bicycling and mass transit become another 'choice' means for urban/suburban travel. The hybrid can be set up to run 'economically' (less aggressively) in urban settings.

This is why auto and oil and energy companies oppose Plug-in Hybrid technology. Don't be fooled when they say they'll bring this technology to the fore.

Once again the fuel monopoly question arises.
It is about what fuel will be the hardest to produce by car owner himself. The more expensive the production system is - the more it will be supported by American car makers. Luckily we got the Japanese whos only interest is to deliver a sensible car to the client.

UH actauly hydrogen is very SIMPLE to make specialy if your making it via wind or solar...

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