Do traditional diesels really deserve a place on greencarcongress?

maybe it depends on your priorities. do you think local emissions or greenhouse emissions are more important?

almost all diesels produce more local pollution than is acceptable in the US, but they also produce less CO2. so, whether you think they are green or not depends on what you think is important.

yes, of course diesel exhaust treatment is improving and these improvements should definitely be covered here, but this truck couldn't be sold in the US as it is because it wouldn't meet emissions requirements.

Diesel is important. They can be converted to bio or svo. There are few or no diesel options in midsize truck range. SVO or BIO Plugin Hybrids with all elecric range is what will help right now. The battery in a hybrid can easily heat the oil to enjoy full combustion.

And it's a pity such a truck can't be sold here. A Toyota Tacoma with a decent V6 can only dream of reaching better than 20mpg. I know better mileage is available with the 2.7 four banger, but then there goes the torque.

Not to mention that the 2.7 isn't available in any model except the regular cab base model and the 2wd extended cab base. What the heck happened to those sweet 2.2 and 2.4's?

And why no 6 speed?

It would be great to see these diesel's in the US!

There is also the fact that diesels can reach 42%+ efficiency vs 25-32% gasoline. Diesels also have higher fuel energy density than gasoline. The problem is emissions.

Higher fuel density = more CO2 emissions per gallon. You have to look at total CO2 output, because one gallon of diesel will put out how much more? 12% more CO2 I believe? This of course due to the much higher weight of carbon in diesel. That's also why diesel weighs 6.75 pounds per gallon versus gasoline at 6.0 pounds per gallon.

Full size pick-up trucks are exempt from car-like emission standards in US. GM, Ford, and Dodge all have very successful diesel powered trucks in this category. It is really strange why Toyota does not offer their Tundra with diesel engine. It is perfect work horse for this kind of vehicles, which are very rarely used as principal city commuter.
Same with Nissan Titan and Honda Ridgeline.

The Ridgeline isn't a full size truck though is it?

And I don't think Nissan or Toyota make a diesel big enough to work in a full size.

The reason Nissan and Honda don't do this is because of weight regulations. The truck has to weigh/tow so much before it is allowed less strict emissions standards. That's why diesels aren't offered in but the 2500 series trucks (trucks Nissan and Honda don't make).

Sid:

But the higher energy density also gives way to much higher efficiency, as allen notes. This is why you can get 50mpg+ out of a diesel whereas a car needs a hybrid system in order to get that high.

And there's the fact the engines can easily run biodiesel.

There are 4 cylinder 2.2L diesel engines that make 258 ft/lbs of torque, 140+ HP, and would return at least 32+ mpg in a truck platform. This would be perfect for a tacoma/hilux. Why the 6 cylinder?

-mt

HILUX 3.0!!! And new diesel engine!! How tempting...

Btw, can anyone tell me why is diesel cars not common in USA?

For example, in Malaysia we have very beefy roadtax for diesel vehicles which calculated according to cc displacement(4 times compare to gasoline), which end up a 4.0 gasoline car will have cheaper tax compare to a 3.0 diesel. Since we calculate roadtax according to CC, it ends up a Mazda RX8(a sport car) will have the same tax as a national made economy car...

How about our USA friends?

I didnt learn this till the other day but "we" actually "voted" for some kind of druid/masonic nannies to advance "their" agendas.

Pricing will be interesting to see. Stick the 6 speed in there and this truck would be ideal. The article says the 3 liter gets 28mpg, so the 2.5 liter must be in the lower 30's... beats the Ford escape... badly! This vehicle is both ahead of its time and also an instant classic based on its Landcruiser heritage. How many digits does it have on the odometer? At LEAST double the miles on your average Ford Explorer. Ironically, the Hilux looks like a Ford Sport Trac to me, which you can buy with American dollars. You can go buy a Hilux in one of 140 countries... but not U.S. We have our own unilateral "Kyoto" in the EPA/CARB NOx standards. Unfortunatly this vehicle is just an example of how it has hindered progress rathter than promote it.

rexis:

The sale of diesels here in the U.S. is kept down by very stringent air quality regulations. We regulate air-quality pollutants like NOx, HC and PM, but the government does not pay much attention to CO2 yet. Diesels tend to emit more of these targetd pollutants.

At present, there are two sets of quality rules. One set which governs most of the country -- the EPA rules -- and another (stricter) set which governs five heavily populated states -- the CARB rules. At present, the former rules allow certain diesel models to be sold, while the latter rules pretty much exclude all current-technology diesels. However, automakers hesistate to introduce diesels if they cannot sell them in several of the country's largest market, to we've seen very few diesel passenger cars around here over the years. VW is one of the few companies that has continued to sell small diesel cars in permitted markets. In a year or two, the two sets of rules will largely converge on a very stingent set of air quality requirements which even Euro 4 diesels will not meet. There is maybe one car on the drawing boards -- a Mercedes -- which would make the cut.

There are exceptions which cover large vehicles, such as buses, frieght trucks and enormous pickup trucks. Those are subject to relaxed standards which are designed to allow a modern clean diesel engine to pass.

Yearly registration fees, if I recall correctly, tend to be set by the individual states. Each state's rules differ from the others' to some extent, but my impression is that the fees are generally quite low relative to most other rich countries, and often based primarily on the curb weight of the vehicle, not engine size or type.

I hope this clears up the situation here for you.

Ed:
You can also add Japan to this unilateral EPA/CARB NOx standard. Canada hinted to adopt it too.

NBK:

Cut the crup, Bostonian.

Rexis:

In US/Canada there is no somehow substantial registration tax differences due to engine displacement, power output, and alike. Registration fees (quite moderate) are set by the individual states. There never were anyhow significant diesel car/light duty vehicles penetration in US market. The reason is very simple: for average driver (20K km per year) diesel car is more expensive $/km to operate then gasoline one. Elsewhere outside N. America this is distorted by fuel overtaxation and tax preferential treatment for diesel cars. All buses, heavy trucks, and alike vehicles in US are diesel powered without exception as anywhere in the world.

New generation of vastly superior European/Japanese diesel cars are really nearly prohibited as described by NBK, before they meet same emission (I mean harmful emission, not CO2) levels as gasoline cars. Heavy duty diesel engines are subject to way more stringent then in Europe emission legislation due in 2 years.

last time I checked petrol diesel is only pennies more or the same price as regular gas.

Does anyone know who produces these engines for Toyota? I know Hino makes diesel trucks for Toyota, wondering if they are the ones that made these engines.

Toyota makes it own engines. Hino is owned by the Toyota Corporation, just like Daihatsu.

Diesel engines....Great news!!! Does anyone know when this wonders are coming ti Mexico?

Diesel engines last some what longer, burn less of their fuel, and have more torque than a comparative gas engine. Why can't we have mid-size diesel vehicles in the US? Do you think it has something to do with big oil and dollars? Surely there are clean diesel(like "bluetec" and "crd" )engines.

I sure wish I could buy a toyota diesel hilux truck here in america, the land of the not so free.

I wish I could get my hands on a hilux 4x4 diesel in virginia. I have been running toyota 4x4s for years as my personal vehicle and run diesels hard at work. Diesels to me have alot more torque and would run that p-up like a tractor. I don't care about comfort, luxury, speed, I want a deisel in my truck.

hi i want to know the price for hilux pick up

Price for a Hilux Diesel: airfare to Central America, a few hundred dollars for a rusty rig, a thousand for a less rust, full price for a new one; a few hundred more for muchos litros to get you home. Registration fees vary by state, in Oregon its forty bucks, no questions asked.

Is it allowed to go to Central America to get a Hilux Diesel and bring it into the USA for yourself? Is it allowed to go get one for someone else?

Does anyone know of another who has brought a diesel hiLux into the US? I'd be game to convoy a crew of us out of Mexico each driving his own. It would be an adventure.

Yea I really wish I was driving a diesel Hulix as well. They are way cooler than the Tacomas. The new D-4 3.0 has some trick stuff in it. I want one!

By setting limits on EACH category of emissons, the EPA is doing a disservice to our country. The lean running nature of diesels (20:1 opposed to 14.7:1) produce much less HC and CO than spark engines. The problem is that they exceed the limits of NOx and PM. However, CRDI technology, diesel cat converters, EGR(maybe), and ultra-low sulfur diesel, have and will continue to reduce PM and NOx.

Diesel emisson control systems have always been a few steps behind otto-cycle emission systems. However, diesels have come a really long way in recient years. Since global warming is becoming more of a reality, the America will realize that diesels are GOOD for the environment and our country. Hopefully well have ourselves some diesel Hiluxs by the time the next body style comes around.

hi
hey does the 2006 Toyota hilux diesel 2.5 lts. d-4d engine use biodiesel, well I'm a automotive mechanical engineering, form Ecuador, so I'm doing some research about it because I made Biodiesel from used cooking oil, all of this is a initiative that i got in class, so i was wondering if the fuel lines, the primary pump, and the high pressure pump of the hilux pick-up engine can take biodisel, because as we know the biological origin of biodiesel , it maybe "eat" the rubber o'rings and the other plastic/ rubber materials on th engine.

well I hope any one can help me please whit links, or your own comments and experiences. thanks again.

thanks

ps: my e-mail si jpdavilag@gmail.com

hi
hey does the 2006 Toyota hilux diesel 2.5 lts. d-4d engine use biodiesel, well I'm a automotive mechanical engineering, form Ecuador, so I'm doing some research about it because I made Biodiesel from used cooking oil, all of this is a initiative that i got in class, so i was wondering if the fuel lines, the primary pump, and the high pressure pump of the hilux pick-up engine can take biodisel, because as we know the biological origin of biodiesel , it maybe "eat" the rubber o'rings and the other plastic/ rubber materials on th engine.

well I hope any one can help me please whit links, or your own comments and experiences. thanks again.

thanks

ps: my e-mail si jpdavilag@gmail.com

I'm a gringo living in Costa Rica and I have the 3.0 Turbo Intercooled Hilux... It's the best truck I've ever owned, and I've had Chevy's and Ford's out the wazoo. More power, and I fill it up once every 10 days.

I'd bring this baby to the US in a second if I knew I could legally.

I'm wondering why the US still stands as the largest contributor of CO2 even with all these EPA-CARB regulations.

I mean, no matter what people say or do on threads like these, Americans still prefer v6 and v8 and cannot imagine living with anything of a lower displacement

I have toyota tacoma diesel truck I want to buy the back cover cover the back of the pick up truck against rain and sun what options or accesories do I have to cover the back of the truck thanks

William

I'm interested if anyone has done their homework on getting a Hilux diesel, or any other midsize diesel pickup (Mitsubishi, Ford, others), into the US. Curious if the post on Jan 16, 2007 by "sunita" means that he was successful at bringing one from Central America back to Oregon? Definitely interested in doing this if it can be done - if someone has looked into this thoroughly and has either brought one into the US or is thinking about attempting it, please contact me. I'd be up for a visit to our neighbors to the south. bc40409 at Alltel.net

I am a US citizen and I have been trying to find out if it is possible to buy a used toyota Hilux diesel pick up and import it to the USA. If any one has any information on this, or if it is even possible it would be greatley appriciated.

What surprised me is that being one of leading manufacturer toyota can not make diesel for US standards. Different standards for different cars? This is not the reason!!

Many of you folks missed the point.

There are curently small cars with diesels sold in US. Why not toyota? Many volkswagens, jeeps, mercedes are diesels. Some corollas and small toyota van of mid 80s were diesels right here in US. Why not now? Why chrysler/jeeps, jettas, golfs, passats, mercedes comes in diesel version, but not toyota products?? Something wrong here!!

Getting crazy with the idea of driving a toyota Hilux 4x4 crew-cab with intercoled turbodiesel engine. Just the specs of this truck should amaze you 6350 GVWR that gives you 2200 pounds of payload, its amazing what this pick up can do. Let's say that you would drive a '91 chevy Pick up full size which it had more or less the same power. Chevy PICK UP V6 (4.3 liters 155 HP and 230ft-lbs torque) VS Toyota HILUX 3.0 Liters D4-D 120 HP and 253ft-lbs torque) you can pull a 5000 lbs trailer without having to spend 3 dlls per gallon every 15 miles in your regular Tacoma 4x4 V6; The Tacoma is an excellent vehicle.. lots of HP but with the same burden as every american mid-size or full size truck GAS GAS MORE GAS.
I can get you a HILUX thru a Mexican dealership., You can contact me at avalsim@hotmail.com if anyone its really interested in adquiring a 4x4, 4x2 crew or single cab; I'll sent you an estimate of the costs to get one thru the border. Expensive but doable, not every one can afford one or buy yourself a 4 cyl save some gas... dont drive a V8 to get eggs from the mini-mart.

I have been going to Costa Rica for 35 years and they have an inceredible array of diesel cars, trucks and vans that never reach North America.
The Toyota Hilux diesel is what I am going to buy first thing when I move there next year, saying goodbye to my gas sucking V-6 Tacoma.
There are many older ones for sale there as well as Mexico I imagine , why not take a holiday and bring back a great truck.

well i have been driving a hilux truck 3.0 for years and is no conparable with the rest of the cars i like the power the stability the secure i love my hilux 4x4 is my babe and i have anothers cars but.no nothing is like toyota hilux

I beleve the hilux 2006 is the best diesel mid size truck ever made.toyota it make hevy duty diesel engines,but it can not make them becouse ,OMC.dont let toyota,every body deserve same, even the fancy cars makers,.if you want a hilux 4 door 4/4 turbo diesel inter cooler,stick,it may cost you from $35.000 to $40.000 in central america ,mexico only import hilux with gasoline engines,you only live once enjoy the hilux

Hello, for those of you interested in a Hilux Turbo- diesel. They are sold everywhere south of Texas. A new one,longbed,doublecab,4x4,3.0 Turbo, with all extras sells, where I am, for about $29,000
These are very nice pickups with poweful,quiet diesels and my Nicaraguan buddy gets 32-34MPH in his. I make do with a 2.4 diesel, natrually aspirated !! Next one is the Turbo.
These diesels run forever. My partner has a non-Turbo, 1980 model, with 700,000 KM. - Never been overhauled, and still running good.
I think it is next to impossible to get one into the states, as import laws forbid importation of any diesel engine in a vehicle, or even a stationary diesel, with out meeting emmission standards. I was told by U.S.customs that it could be possible IF you take it to a shop that is certified to make the necessary modifications to comply with U.S. standards. Offhand, I would say that it is cost prohibitive. AHHH, the good 'ol U.S.of A. -- Best just go and live south of Texas. Nicaragua, Costa Rica or Panama. Much better life and half the cost of the U.S.
Cheers, Rudy

www.chosunimports.com and www.terra2imports.ca

I've seen many amazing diesel yotas imported and for sale/auction through these two companies. I've seen other companies as well, but here's two to start with.
Also,
Just see what's for sale in BC,Canada... Lots of imported beauties for sale. Now go get a diesel, cash will get you whatever you want.

I Owned a 96 HILUX in Guatemala 1998 with the 2.7 turbo intercooler, it has been the best truck i have ever owned, a couple of
years ago i went back to Guatemala just to visit my family and i drove my uncle`s 2007 hilux 4x4 quad cab and let me tell you that if i have to pay 35,000 for a hilux in the US i will doit in a heart beat, i`ve been trying to get a hilux into US and is not posible, so i`m gonna have to wait for hilux US VERSION that is supposed to be here not later than 2010.

I live in Ohio and have owned a 1997 Tacoma for the past 7 years. I am looking into swapping out the 3.4L V6 stock engine for a D-4D 3.0. Does anyone know if these engines are importable? Also, does anyone know how difficult it would be to install the D-4D into my USDM Tacoma and run it in conjunction with biodiesel?

I have driven the Toyota IMV 2006, I find it a bit light in weight. Has anyone gotten this impression or it's just my imagination.

When I go back home to Guatemala, a 3.0 D-4D Hilux is my first purchase. For now, I am doing ok, though, with a YD25DDTi Nissan Navara which puts out more torque than the Toyota engine.

hello everbody

well well it seems that all around the globe(apart US)disel is the thing and with the bio disel /oil we can get so much more for our money...
i own a fj-80 that i modifiad and went crossing central/south america 50.000 miles off pure adventure...
now i live in brazil and i'm ready to do engine swap...i have to options or the orignal unit witch is the 4.2L TD 6cyl ...or the new 4D-D from the hilux .
i need more info about the gas miles , hp and torque
any links that can help me with finding this info. or engines to buy.
thanks allot for your help
keep crusing

hello everbody

well well it seems that all around the globe(apart US)disel is the thing and with the bio disel /oil we can get so much more for our money...
i own a fj-80 that i modifiad and went crossing central/south america 50.000 miles off pure adventure...
now i live in brazil and i'm ready to do engine swap...i have to options or the orignal unit witch is the 4.2L TD 6cyl ...or the new 4D-D from the hilux .
i need more info about the gas miles , hp and torque
any links that can help me with finding this info. or engines to buy.
please write me to: rutas.salvajes.br@gmail.com
thanks allot for your help
keep crusing

Hi all,

You can import any vehicle easily into the US if it is 25 years old or older. (So in January 2009 we can import any 1984 or earlier model year vehicle.) For Canada, the law is 15 years, which is why you see so many JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) vehicles from the early 1990s. (These are right-hand drive, however.) Anything newer is pretty much impossible; there is a list of "exception" vehicles, but even these have to be modified by a Registered Importer to meet US safety and EPA requirements, to the tune of $6K and up.

Now, on the bright side, there are all kinds of new clean-tech diesels (meeting 2009 EPA regs and the upcoming European standards) planned for around 2010--Toyota, Honda, Nissan, VW and Mercedes have announced (though the Japanese have so far discussed only plans to put diesels in the biggest platforms--think Sequoia and Tundra, not Tacoma or 4runner). Then there's the wildcard, the Mahnidra diesel and diesel hybrid pickups (including crew cab) and SUV from India. 4x4 crew cab, bosch designed 4 cyl. diesel for around $25K, new.

What I'm very interested in is the possibility of bringing in 1984 (next year) and 1985 (2010) 4x4, 4-door diesel hiluxes. Australia is crawling with them (RHD, though), and given that a US domestic Toyota diesel 4x4 in good shape from the same era can easily fetch $7-10K, the economics might just pencil out. Coming from Latin America would be even better, with lower shipping costs (or excuse for a road trip), plus LHD. The only problem I've seen is that there seem to be very few old enough to bring into the US--lots from the 1990s and newer, but hardly anything from '84-'85. If they are there, and not rusted out, I think someone might be able to start up quite an enterprise bringing them up here, cleaning them up and selling them to enthusiasts. Folks will buy a gasser 'yota 4x4, pay thousands for a solid front axle and go nuts with it--a turbo diesel crew cab would have them wetting themselves!

There is this company in california that imports jdm
engines into the states named soshinusa web address
www.soshinusa.com they have the toyota 3l 2.8 engine that
came in 90's hilux and the have 1kz-te 3.0 engine that came in 90's and early 2000's land cruiser prados also
the hilux surf which is the japanese version of the 4runner.I'am trying to buy either a prado or hilux surf
in the dominican republic.They go for an average used just
about $13,000 to $14,0000 usd dollars.I just wanted to share this info with all you toyota fans who want toyota
diesel in the U.S.A. Thank You.

if you want an American made truck with diesel go outside the states.

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My friend just bought a 2009 Hilux D4D 4x4 full four door pickup w/3.0 turbodiesel and auto trans in Panama. It's going back to the US, and we plan to rub it in every gutless Toyota Dealer's face in Mexico and the US on the way back to Arizona! These new hi-tech diesels burn CLEAN...ultra clean, with computer controls, high-tech gadgetry, and ULSD fuel, etc. It seems that the 96-percent reduction since 1970 in pollution from engines is not anywhere near enough to satisfy the pesky treehugger crowd...250-percent reduction would not be acceptable either, the way they have things set up in the US/UK, etc. They simply cannot be pleased, period.
I'm so sick of all this onerous "Strangulation by Regulation"(tm), a term I've coined and use in my upcoming book, "Who$e Money Is It, Anyway?" Conservation is necessary and great, but these eco-green guys don't accept or understand the concept of 'balance'. Nature works on BALANCE in everything...we need to do so also. What we have today is a total and lopsided mess...the numerous treehuggers can simply do NO wrong, or so they would have everyone believe. Pity, pity! -Mr. Robert Moore, author of "Who$e Money Is It, Anyway?" 2008 Copyright, All Rights Reserved.

To add to "Sharky's" comments on clean burning diesels. Run one on bio and it produces less CO2 than a gasser. My Lady's 11,000 lb. F450 gets 19.3 mpg on bio-diesel. Now if I can only get a diesel in my Tacoma.

The US really needs this truck. No one can compare the tacoma to the Hilux. There are so different from the ground up. If toyota wants to boost profits the writing is on the wall..

howdy
Jaybeat above has it right. anything older than 25 years [15 in canada] can be easly imported, otherwise I don't believe it's doable. I saw a nice ranger diesel in the caribbean that had been made in Korea. I suspect they make too much money on the tacoma to risk competing with a Hilux.