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Venture Vehicles Developing 3-Wheel, Tilting Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle

17 February 2007

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The VentureOne.

Venture Vehicles Inc. formally announced the development of a 2-passenger, 3-wheel, tilting, plug-in series hybrid electric vehicle under the working name VentureOne. In addition to the low-emission, flex-fuel hybrid model, Venture Vehicles is also developing a zero-emission all-electric version that will have an all-electric range of nearly 200 miles.

Two in-wheel 25 kW electric pancake motors will power the two rear wheels, with a small (15 to 20 kW) flex-fuel genset providing on-road recharging. The hybrid will use a 3 kWh li-ion pack from A123Systems. When garaged, it need only be plugged into a household outlet.

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The two different powertrains. Click to enlarge.

The all-electric version is planned to have two in-wheel 20 kW electric motors and a 17 kWh li-ion battery pack.

A key feature of the VentureOne is the patented Dynamic Vehicle Control tilting technology from Carver Engineering that allows the body of the vehicle to actually tilt when going through turns while all three wheels maintain firm contact with the road.

We’ve licensed the Carver One’s dynamic tilt control system, but the vehicle we’re building is different in many other respects. For example, we’ve focused exclusively on hybrid, biofuels, and electric propulsion, while the Carver One uses standard gasoline.

—Ian Bruce, Founder, EVP Design & Engineering

The VentureOne has separate power to each of the rear wheels which allows automatic traction control, steering assist, and ABS braking to be entirely embedded in software. This eliminates the need for costly additional components and combined with the lack of transmission, severely limits the amount of money a consumer will have to put into maintenance.

The vehicle will be surrounded by a steel safety cell providing overall protection, along with other safety features such as a driver’s airbag, front and side-impact protection, and rear bumper will be standard.

The VentureOne will get up to 100 mpg, accelerate from 0-60 in 6 seconds, and have a top speed of over 100 mph, while being priced at less than $20,000.

Venture Vehicles is working with BMW DesignWorks, A123 Systems, Carver Engineering, Swift Engineering, Boshart Engineering and PML FlightLink on the design, engineering and production.

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I want one! My electric motorcycle doesn't keep me dry.

This article says the vehicle will go 200 miles on a 17kwhr battery pack. That's 11.76 miles per kwhr. Is this realistic?

The company website says the all-electric Venture EV has a range of 120 miles, 200 is just a mistake in the article I guess.

The BMW C1-200 BMW C1-200 claims 80mpg without hybridization, it costs less and is avaliable to day in Europe but good louck to VentureOne.

Why is the BMW C1-200 BMW C1-200 not availble in the USA. Does anyone know?

t -

I find the 100mpg equivalent prediction confusing. Power plants don't burn gasoline. They typically burn coal, natural gas or they run off nuclear fission. Therefore, it would indeed make more sense to compare similar vehicles based on miles per kWh of primary energy.

The efficiency of energy production, distribution and charging of the battery is probably around 30%. Therefore, 17kWh in the battery means around 57kWh of primary energy.

The nearest comparable gasoline vehicle is the original Carver One, which van den Brink claims gets 40mpg US. One US gallon of gasoline represents around 33kWh of primary energy. That implies around 1.2 miles per kWh of primary energy.

Now, Venture Vehicles claims 100mpg equivalent for its PHEV version, so that's 2.5 times as efficient relative to primary energy input, i.e. around 2.5*1.2 = 3 miles per kWh of primary energy, or 3/0.3 = 10 miles per kWh in the battery. That's a little less than the 11.76 you calculated based on their range claim, but then I made some very rough assumptions.

The point is, their claims of 100mpg and 200 mile range are consistent. Whether they hold true remains to be seen, a factor 2.5 improvement in primary energy efficiency is, after all, quite ambitious. Note that deep discharging the battery to achieve the full range would almost certainly shorten its life expectancy, so I would expect useful range to be perhaps 100 miles.

looks great to me , maybe one should not look a gift horse in the mouth !
When could I buy one !

I like it, I like it a lot! There's no reason why EVs and HEVs have to look like they were designed by people who hate cars.

You can't deep discharge a Lithium-Ion unless you want to throw it away.

"Why is the BMW C1-200 BMW C1-200 not availble in the USA. Does anyone know?"

Because BMWUSA doesn't sell vehicles that would harm their "premium luxury" brand image. Supposedly they'll start selling a 1-series in the US in 2009, but only the performance version with the 3L twin-turbo.

Er... And likewise for BMW bikes...

How wide is it - can you fit two in the space of one car ?
Can it get through gridlocked traffic ?
The way a motor bike or scooter or bike can ...

If it in not thin enough to fit between cars, then the only advantage you have is economy and performance.

One of the main benefits of bikes is that you can move through stationary traffic, which you will probably lose.

However, it sounds very economical and unlike many very economical vehicles, looks cool enough that people might want to buy it.

So it would be a good thing - if they can deliver.

Unfortunately, there's nothing on the web site resembling a delivery date or order form.

I have a similar 2-tandem-seat vehicle design some years ago that is even more compact and more streamline aerodynamically than this design. For details, look at the following link:
http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=06170847&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-adv.htm%2526r%3D3%2526p%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526d%3DPTXT%2526S1%3Dpham-roger-$.INNM.%2526OS%3Din%2Fpham-roger-$%2526RS%3DIN%2Fpham-roger-$&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page
hint: copy and paste this link into the address box of your browser. (to copy anything in GCC, you must first select the whole webpage and paste it in a text program such as Wordpad, or MSWord, and then select the desirable text) You'll need a tiff file viewer such as alternatif to see the patent image page.

Of course, living in the land of SUV's and at the time when gasoline was cheap, this design did not go anywhere. But, for use in the high-density cities, to get around the traffic and find parking space, designs like these would have higher utility than a 4-wheeled automobile.

just one question: why rear-wheel drive?
i want the mitsubishi miev.

Typical claims for electric mileage run between .2 kwh per mile (5 miles/kwh) and .4 kwh (2.5 miles/kwh) so yes the claimed range is very optimistic. So the actual AER for the Hybrid is probably about 10 miles and the BEV range is probably about 75 miles.

Lensovet -

because van den Brink built their concept around a front that tilts and a rear that does not. Putting the drivetrain in the back provides the counterweight necessary to tilt the front of the vehicle back to the vertical as it emerges from a bend. It's not a motorcycle - it's a trike with a hydraulically actuated computer-controlled lean angle.

Lensovet -

because van den Brink built their concept around a front that tilts and a rear that does not. Putting the drivetrain in the back provides the counterweight necessary to tilt the front of the vehicle back to the vertical as it emerges from a bend. It's not a motorcycle - it's a trike with a hydraulically actuated computer-controlled lean angle.

but what stops you from running a wire to the front and sticking an in-wheel motor into the front wheel? wouldn't you just need enough slack for it to tilt?


It would be fantastic if this vehicle could be tilted up and paked standig upright, i.e. with the the front wheel uu and the rear wheels on the ground.

It's fantastic to see they are considering an electric option for this tilting fun machine. The ICE version gets huge wraps from the normally ruthless automotive critics ("...the most fun you can have!") so this can only help to counter the negative image many people have of EVs.

Sign me up!

There have been plenty of very cool looking green vehicles which have been in the concept stage. I really hope that we start to take the step to actual mass production. I like this concept, but I remain guardedly optimistic.

If you build it, they will come. Or I will anyway!! Venture Vehicles, if you are listening, get this thing into producible form, get past all the red tape, and sell it!

there should be relatively little red tape, since it will register as a motorcycle in the states. no safety tests. few emissions tests.

the reason they won't actually come to market is that they will talk to a lawyer and that lawyer will tell them that if anything goes wrong and somebody gets injured because of the designe (for example b/c it is so short, an SUV drive will accidentally run over it b/c they couldn't see it), they'll get sued into oblivion. they'll look for legal insurance, but won't be able to afford it.

if they get past that, the second reason they'll fail is that they'll get realistic about the price and find out that it will actually cost closer to $40k to be profitable (closer to the carver's price) and at that price, nobody will buy one.

i think it is awesome and would consider buying one at $20k (even if it weren't so quick), but i don't expect them to ever reach the market.

Van, this vehicle will probably be minimum 1/2 the weight of a typical electric vehicle capable of hitting 100mph and 0-60 in 6 seconds.
It will probably be 1/2 the weight of a BEV with less performance.
It should consume considerably less energy if it is 1/2 the weight.

Mahonj,

"Splitting Lanes" is a great way to have an accident on a motorcycle. There is a reason why the fatality rate for motorcycles is insanely high compared to cars: Drivers don't pay attention much to anything that isn't directly in front of them (even worse with distractions in the car and the small size of motorcycles). It is not legal to split lanes in every state either.

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