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Phoenix Motorcars has placed a new $2.2 million order for Altair Nano 35 kWh lithium-ion battery packs for use in its all-electric sport utility trucks (SUTs) and sport utility vehicles (SUVs).

The new product order brings Phoenix’s total purchase commitment on Altairnano NanoSafe battery packs to $4,075,000. Altairnano has shipped more than $1,475,000 of its 35 kWh battery packs to Phoenix.

Altairnano’s 35 kWh NanoSafe packs provide sufficient power and energy for SUT and SUV vehicles to travel up to 130 miles with a top speed of more than 100 miles per hour.



I read on the Phoenix website that this order only represents 34 more packs. Placing the cost at around $65K per pack. My concern is not the cost, as that will continue to come down with manufacturing efficiencies, but the fact that this is only 34 packs and they wish to have 300 ready by end of year.

Will Phoenix have the capital to purchase the total amount of packs from Altair?



Even at this price I'd love to get my hands on a 3kwh version of these batteries. I've been looking at LiFePO4 batteries (safe,2000 cycles,good temperature behaviour) and I could be looking at $5000 for 2.5kwh.


Does anyone know historically how much the price decreases per year on batteries in terms of capacity per dollar? Is there a Moore's Law for batteries?

I realize it is a little bit more complicated with batteries as energy density and power and other attributes also come into play. But, is there a way to estimate it just for capacity?

Based on what Mike said, at $65k for 35kWh, that works out to a little less than $2 per kWh.

I am curious where the price for this will be in 5 or 10 years, and how many years it will take for the price to be cut in half. Anyone know historically what has happened and what is likely to happen in the future?


You are right about the cost being based on multiple variables. The only reason I even consider looking at LiFeP04 chemistry over say Lithium Manganese batteries is because they have about four times the lifecycles. So really when pricing batteries you almost have to think in terms of "KWhcycles" rather than just KWh. The current batteries have lots of room to move in terms of price since the packs are basically hand built on a bench. As for a Moore's law equivalent, I've seen estimates ranging between 5 and 8 percent per year improvements. It hasn't exactly been a straight line either since nothing at all happened until the last couple of decades.


::I've been looking at LiFePO4 batteries (safe,2000 cycles,good temperature behaviour) and I could be looking at $5000 for 2.5kwh.

Offers from Taiwan for LiFePO4 right now are at $1000 per kwh. You are getting ripped off.


kert: $1000.00/kwh, Is that the for full package with a battery management system, charger, and case? I'm looking for a 60V pack (in two sections) with about 50ah. The most likely configuration that will fit my bike is 5 12V packs in serial. Do you know some vendor that can get me a better price?


They likely are bootstrapping. They cant afford a full order so they order a batch make the cars sell em and then now can order more.

Asfor costs going down.. not all that quickly. Thats why car makers hedge thier bets with batteries and fuek cekks and gensets... if batteries stay high you will see 8 kwh packs if fast 35...


According to their(Altair) recent conference call, which you can access from their website, they are on a manufacturing efficiency program that will take their costs down to $.33/kwh from $2 in 18-24 months. You have to remember that this is a research company. They have never produced anything. As a stockholder, i'm hoping one of the battery bigs buys them out for about $10/share. They essentially have EVERYTHING necessary in that battery to launch the age of the electric vehicle except cost and that's just a matter of time and volume. Also AES the big electric utility has recently bought an equtiy interest in this company and they are hinting at "stationary applications". So their market will ultimatley be bigger than just the car market, if you can get your head around that.

First Albany just upgraded them to a buy today.

Greg woulf

at $10,000 a 35kw/h pack I think this is a successful venture. The difference between this and an ICE motor in cost could be made up through cost of maintenance and fuel cost.

The faster recharge makes it good for long or short trips and the overnight home charging makes it more convenient for almost everyone, and friendly to the utility companies.


Neil, no, thats just for the large 10AH cylindrical cells. I'll be building my own prototype integrated BMS&Charger anyway.


Neil, if thats your working email address under your name i can forward you the materials that i have gotten from the company reps.


Kert: yes please. Although I don't have the skill set to create my own BMS and charger.

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