I'd love to drive one of those new FCXs. Looks great.

Cue rabid hydrogen bashing in 5, 4, 3, 2...

I'd love to see you driving one of those FCVs too jack. Especially if you had to pay for it! ;)

hydrogen is made from water, great idea

putting any more than 100 on the streets would probably bankrupt
even Honda !
how much does a fuel cell large enough to power a car cost, I fail to
remember was it $250000 or $500000 ?

corporate insanity !

==hydrogen is made from water, great idea==

Not really.

It's made from water, and lots of CO2 burning power plant emissions.

http://greyfalcon.net/hydrogen2.png

While renewables would be nice, the concept of using them is just too comically expensive with hydrogen to be practical.

It's made from water, and lots of CO2 burning power plant emissions.

Same for batteries.

Grey Flcn stated: "While renewables would be nice, the concept of using them is just too comically expensive with hydrogen to be practical."

GF, please kindly read my last two postings on:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/xcel-energy-ann.html#comments

Grey Falcon: I think most people reading posts here know what you're against. What exactly are you for? You've said "we can't" do hydrogen or biofuels. Hydrogen fueled by renewables, we now hear, is "comically expensive".

Yet somehow we "can" do fossil fuel diesel (that will run out) and electric. Yet I never see you ranting and hyperlinking about the dangerous world that may be coming our way, of coal diesel and coal electricity powering everything, creating a new dependency on the dirtiest fuel the world has ever known. Isn't that where the bigger danger lies? I'd say the consequences of your agenda are expensive and not so comical.

This is a good way to measure customer reactions to a new technology. Obviously the availability of H2 will be the most important measure.

On the energy issues in general - it would be valuable to see what kind of progress has beeen made with building clean coal fired plants. Considering that they are the defacto standard for new power plants around the world - what if anything is being done to make them clean?

Further, if as some on this board say, coal can be used as the feedstock for H2 and H2 become the combustible for power generation - what kind of efficiencies and emission standards can be expected?

Gry Falc - there is wind and solar powered electrolysis to be considered. Both produce H2 with no sourced CO2.

Yet another Company in the news alledgedly wasting time and money on "fool cells"--(last week it was GM with their Project Driveway). Someone explain to me that if the Hydrogen economy will NEVER happen as is the claims of many here, then how are financially struggling companies like GM, Ford, and now even Chrysler able to afford the research for fuel cells? Why would Honda, Toyota, or well any Automaker for that matter be throwing money at something that will supposedly never happen?

Now I suppose will come the cries and wails that we "don't have an infrastructure!". I have thrown this out before...build more Nuclear, wind farms, hydroelectric dams, and ocean wave motion generators to make the Hydrogen. Out of those 4 mentioned, I would think Nuclear stands the best chance in making mass quantities. Geez, one Nuke plant is capable of powering an entire city...I'll say it again...AN ENTIRE CITY, and that wouldn't be sufficient enough to generate mass quantities of Hydrogen?

Here's a challenge...Someone, anyone, give a good argument as to how Hydrogen propulsion will never happen. I think the times, they are a-chang'in!

Fool cells! Her her!

meh i'd still take the highlander fuel cell any day, it travels farther weeeeee!

NO, want I want is a Prius with all NIMH batteries like the ones used in the RAV4, it got what 90 mile range (REAL WORLD USAGE FROM PDF GOVERNMENT PAPERS)? With the prius weight and CO drag I'm sure 130 mile range is feasible (SINCE ToYo claims next gen NIMH will be smaller cheaper!), who the hell drives more than 130 miles a day besides truckers, delivery boys and people who need to be moving around in their careers?

And i have local hydro electro power too! No coal bs here SUCKERS!

since i'm a hypermiler too i'd milk 200 miles from my battery I bet, although hypermiling techniques aren't as profitable on a EV as opposed to the ****tty *ss ICE that chugs fuel like a mofo.