but the seat ibiza is a old car, like the old fiat punto

i am waiting for the new VW Polo which will be out 2009-2010

ciclo;

Do older cars have better fuel economy?

Interesting. I've driven the Polo a good bit in England, and though it was a bit doggish accelerating, it handled nicely and had a reasonably good trim package. This high mileage Ibiza Eco, looks to be more like the Polo's little brother, the Fox. But what is odd is that the engine is the same size, 1.4l, as the Polo, and gets similar 0-62 mph, around 12.5 seconds. The Fox is a complete dog, making 0-62mph in about 17 seconds, and gets the same city mileage and only slightly better highway/extraurban mileage.
This Ibiza looks to be a decent package, outstanding mileage, lighter weight and reasonable performance, by European standards.
Curious to see what the new Polo will be like.

Will this be available in the US, or does it suffer from emission problems too?

some older cars have a good fuel economy,
but aren't that safe as new cars;
(fiat 6cento, fiat punto, vw lupo, ...)

the new VW Polo should be a little bit greater,
weight 250kgr more then the old one,
but he should get a better mileage,
i hope the diesel version does around 3.5l/km

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/auto-bild-vorschau-vw-polo_509947.html

yeah this ibiza isn't bad, but i don't like the design ...

:/

i would like to have a ecologic car with an appealing design

like an alfa brera
or renault laguna coupe as a 100km plugin hybrid ...

i would pay 35.000eur for them

I think this SEAT Ibiza Ecomotive should be sold in the USA.

One of the nice things about small Japanese cars in the late 1970's/early 80's timeframe, or the "Smart Car" that was put on display at the Detroit auto show in recent years, is they do a better job than domestically-produced small cars in developing a certain, unexplainable cachet with young, hip and environmentally aware consumers. If this is really so, more power to them.

We should be reminded that if it is indeed so that the world is coming to an end from global warming, and if indeed the automobile is the cause, then Mother Nature doesn't care if GM and Toyota have the same CAFE. She only cares about the CAFE of the total automotive fleet. So I see no logical reason for us to demand that all car makers have the same product mix.

Instead, we should welcome young consumers turning on to cars like the Smart Car or the SEAT Ecomotive, and let American automakers focus on larger vehicles for those who need them.

if the seat ibiza ecomotive is that ecologically friendly and that good on fuel mileage? why cant we have it in the united states?or is it a must that we suffer infinitely to the big oil companies? everytime i read about a car like this that the united states cant have! i almost have a come apart! big oil and the united states government are sharing the same bedroom,NO DOUBT!

Every one of these sold will allow Volkswagen sell a larger and more profitable 160 gm/km car - which is a powerful incentive for VAG to push the small cars as far as they can go, well below the 130 gm limit.

It shows the benefit of the EU 130gm limit - a simple irrational hard limit, can nonetheless be used to improve fuel efficiency across the board.

This can only be done because Europe is such a large market - no single country in the EU could do it - China or the US could but haven't.

No one will be any worse for being forced into higher efficiency cars - no males will be unable to find a mate due to a CC deficit.

This will insulate Europe's economy from future oil shocks - if the price of oil goes to $150 or $200, but your cars get 50 MPG, it has much less effect.

The only problem is a rush to diesel - which is the only realistic way for European manufacturers to get the Co2 down - this will increase urban air pollution which I can attest to living beside a main road in Dublin.

This is why I would like to see more stop/start systems and micro hybrid system added to cars - mainly to reduce urban pollution as well as CO2 levels.

Once the manufacturers go down the experience curve, I am sure this will happen, mainly due to the EU 130 gm limit.

"let American automakers focus on larger vehicles for those who need them."

Unfortunately, "need" has nothing to do with the average purchase of a monster-sized US car. Plenty of Americans with one or no children own a Dodge Ram or two just to go back and forth from the Wal Mart (which is off a highway ten miles way from their house). That's where we're really killing ourselves.

This particular model will never make it to the US market because (a) its a SEAT, a brand with no presence in the US and, (b) it uses a previous-generation diesel engine that has no hope of meeting T2B5 emissions.

If the VW BlueMotion and Audi e variants are any guide, this EcoMotion option will sell poorly. The base versions are more powerful and cheaper. If VW AG decides to include these fuel-saving features in the base models, they will cost less to produce. Indeed, counter-intuitively, customers may not perceive these measures as added value until and unless they are standard: most are prepared to pay a modest premium for the sake of maintaining an asset held in common (the environment), but very few are altruistic enough to do so unless they see most others doing the same.

The auto industry is still very much focused on features that benefit the customer personally, e.g. power and comfort. The notion that those same customers are also members of society who, within reason, actually want to do the right thing is apparently still anathema to upper management. However, not all customers want to make a big fuss about their contribution. After all, environmental hygiene ought to be a matter of course, like good manners.

I think this is a more serious effort than the VW Polo Bluemotion, which is being sold in the UK for around 19000 euros, a lot for such a car. If these Ibizas, at around 15000 euros, sell well then the VW fleet average should come down considerably from the current, and way too high, 166 g CO2/km.

Okay, so they changed ratios in the gearbox (cost of gears doesn't matter how many teeth they have on them), changed software in the computer (free aside from development cost), tinkered with aerodynamic aids a little bit (free aside from development cost), took out a little weight (probably a little more expensive materials - but it's only 20 kg or so), and are using different tires (free).

Why not make these changes standard across the board, aside from possibly a marketing advantage?

My guess is that after a year or two of making a specially-marketed model to capitalize on it, that's what they'll do to get the fleet CO2 emissions down.

Re the T2B5 situation, this engine is below Euro 4 and will soon have to be below Euro 5 (probably already is - has DPF), and wasn't developed for North American standards. It would need the new common-rail injection system and the additional de-NOx catalyst to do that. It'll happen, just not yet ...

I agree, these modifications are likely to be made across the board if they want to bring their average down to around 140, which is what the French and Italians had in 2006, anytime soon. My guess is that this will happen sooner rather than later because of the huge fines they may be facing from the EU, besides the really bad image.

Interestingly enough, I think for a really small car with a clean diesel engine, one company that could do it first for the USA market could be Honda. Remember, Honda's plasma reactor converter makes it much easier to remove high levels of NOx gases from the exhaust stream, and unlike the Diamler BlueTec system it doesn't require lugging around a tank of urea fluid to inject urea gas into the exhaust stream to reduce NOx.

I can see Honda producing a compact 1.5-liter turbodiesel engine specifically for the second-generation Honda Fit/Jazz model that will not only be US-legal, but make it possible to have the Fit reach 50 mpg in overall fuel economy.

A scalable 5 cylinder 1.5/3L twinturbodiesel is closer/doable for US$20-5K than even Lutz will admit.

It is all a scam to gain more money than you all are worth.

There is no reason for the fuel to be as high as it it is . just do to the fact that people over the world have invested in 401k retirement in oil companys . the USA has lost darn near every factory job and out sorced all most all jobs . and all the influx of other people from other contries have put high demands on the USA . and polition are still getting rich .