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Honda FCV Concept makes world debut in Japan; Power Exporter concept

The Honda FCV Concept, Honda’s latest fuel-cell vehicle concept, made its world debut today in Japan. The Honda FCV Concept showcases the styling evolution of Honda’s fuel-cell vehicle anticipated to launch in Japan by March of 2016, followed by the US and Europe. Honda also unveiled the Honda Power Exporter Concept, a concept model for an external power feeding device that enables AC power output from the FCV with maximum output of 9 kW.

Honda had introduced an earlier version, the FCEV concept, at the 2013 Los Angeles Auto Show. (Earlier post.) The Honda FCV Concept features a low and wide aerodynamic body with clean character lines. The interior takes advantage of new powertrain packaging efficiencies delivering more passenger space than its predecessor, the FCX Clarity (earlier post), including seating for up to five people.

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Honda FCV Concept. Click to enlarge.

Honda’s next-generation fuel-cell vehicle launching in 2016 applies a fuel-cell powertrain that fits completely within the front engine compartment of the vehicle, allowing for efficiencies in cabin space as well as flexibility in the potential application of fuel-cell technology to multiple vehicle models in the future.

Significant technological advancements to the fuel-cell stack have yielded more than 100kW of power output. The power density is now 3.1 kW/L, an increase of 60%, with the stack size reduced 33% compared to the Honda FCX Clarity. The next-generation Honda FCV is targeted to deliver a driving range of more than 300 miles (483 km) with a quick refueling time of about three to five minutes at a pressure of 70 MPa.

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The Honda FCV CONCEPT features an external power feeding function, which underwent a large number of verification tests with the FCX Clarity. When combined with an external power feeding device, this FCV can function as a small-sized mobile power plant that generates and provides electricity to the community in times of disaster or other events. Click to enlarge.

In addition to the FCV and external power feeding device, Honda will further promote the application of the Smart Hydrogen Station (SHS)—a packaged hydrogen station unit that adopts Honda’s original high-differential-pressure electrolyzer.

Since the introduction of its first generation fuel-cell vehicle, the FCX, in 2002, Honda has made significant technological advancements in fuel-cell vehicle operation in both hot and sub-freezing weather while meeting customer expectations and safety regulations.

Honda has deployed vehicles in the US and Japan, including the FCX Clarity, which was named the 2009 World Green Car. Honda has delivered these vehicles to individual retail consumers in the US and collected valuable feedback concerning real-world use of both fuel-cell vehicles and public hydrogen stations.

Honda’s current fuel-cell vehicle, the FCX Clarity, launched in July 2008. With the V-flow fuel cell stack positioned in the center tunnel of the vehicle and the electric motor located down low in the front of the vehicle, Honda was able to maintain the Clarity’s futuristic styling while allowing for 240 miles of driving range.

In the effort to speed the advance of a refueling infrastructure outside of California, in May 2013, American Honda joined the public-private partnership H2USA, which brings together automakers, government agencies, hydrogen suppliers, and the hydrogen and fuel-cell industries to coordinate research and identify cost-effective solutions to deploy infrastructure that can deliver affordable, clean hydrogen fuel in the United States.

In June 2013, Honda entered into a long-term collaborative agreement with General Motors to co-develop the next-generation of fuel-cell systems and hydrogen storage technologies, aiming for the 2020 timeframe. The collaboration expects to succeed by sharing technological expertise, economies of scale and other benefits.

In an effort to support the wider introduction of fuel-cell vehicles, Honda will also make an announcement at the 2014 Los Angeles Auto Show this week about its commitment to help expand and accelerate California’s public hydrogen refueling station network.

Comments

Davemart

Very handy in tornado, hurricane and earthquake prone zones.

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Quoting wiki "The first modern fuel cell vehicle was a modified Allis-Chalmers farm tractor, fitted with a 15 kilowatt fuel cell, around 1959." So after 55 years of steadily improving concepts we are still only seeing concepts now with 100kw fuel cells and the ability to start in cold weather. Good luck going forward they need it. I for one do not believe in it. Apart from fueling in 5 minutes a real world BEV Tesla P85D with 515kW of power can do everything a state of the art concept fuel cell can do and then also have more trunk space and the ability to refuel at home or anywhere with a plug. The cars cost about the same to produce.

However, the world need efficient low cost electrolyses for hydrogen production when wind and solar are delivering more power than otherwise needed on the grid. That hydrogen could be stored inexpensively in depleted oil and gas fields and be burned in conventional low cost combined cycle power plants to make electricity and heat when solar and wind is not producing enough electricity to satisfy demand. That is the only realistic and low cost solution for all intermittency problems in a country that base all of its energy production on renewables like solar and wind power.

My point is that the world does not need fuel cells vehicles but we need inexpensive and efficient hydrogen electrolyses in order to go fossil free and end global pollution once and for all. And the engineers that currently spend their time developing unnecessary concept automotive fuel cell are exactly the engineers we need to develop those electrolyses because fuel cells and electrolyses have a lot in common and can indeed be identical.

Davemart

'The first electric cars appeared in the 1880s.[1] Electric cars were popular in the late 19th century and early 20th century, until advances in internal combustion engines and mass production of cheaper gasoline vehicles led to a decline in the use of electric drive vehicles.

(wiki)

gorr

Here in quebec the electric utility is a complete crap. We have plenty of surplus green electricity and they do not do anything with it. They can easily turn these surplus into hydrogen and feed hydrogen cars, this will displace a lot of costly polluting petrol and reduce cost of driving. We can become leaders in hydrogen but nobody except me talk about it. Why on earth I have to pay more for gasoline when there is hydrogen untapped . This hydrogen can power my dodge neon with a simple conversion.

They can also produce synthetic gasoline with surplus green electricity but now they decided of doing nothing and are planning to increase the price of electricity 7% in april 2015.

Mike999

It's time to Kill Off this bull.
The only reason Hydro is built is to suck up CARB credits.
As it can't successfully compete with the Chevy Volt you should let this die gracefully

1) It does nothing for Global Warming, so there will be no Green consumer purchases.
2) It's more expensive then Premium Gas, so no Conservative will buy it.

It's got no market and no future.

Davemart

@Mike:
You can be sure that that is the case, as you have so much more experience of building cars then Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, and have looked into it more deeply.

'"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

Davemart

I went too far.
Apologies.
The notion that the companies that support fuel cells are fools or villains annoyed me.

Roger Pham

I have to applaud Honda for having designed such an exquisitely beautiful car design and so futuristic looking...looks it just came out of Star Wars...no matter what's propelling it within.

The plug-out feature is definitely a plus, and a must-have for small-business owners facing unreliable grid electricity supply...where I live, the power goes out almost every time there is a storm!

I'm so glad, Henrik, that you see the utility in Hydrogen seasonal energy storage and renewable energy. Short-term daily energy storage is still best by using battery, due to the higher round-trip efficiency. For seasonal energy storage, the waste heat utilization of H2 consumption can make it as efficient as battery-electric energy storage. However, in order to benefit from the waste heat, home-based or neighborhood-based power producer is needed, perhaps from FC or small Hydrogen Combustion Engine with waste recuperation.

Now imagine this: Cover the entire roof of every house and parking lot with solar PV panels. No doubt, a lot of excess daytime power will result. Store some of this excess power in battery for night use, and the rest by producing H2 via local electrolyzers and sending the waste heat of electrolysis for heating hot water. The H2 will be supplied to local H2 piping system to flow into underground reservoir, and the H2-consumption meter will run in reverse in the summer to give homeowner credits.
With waste heat utilized at electrolysis and at H2 consumption, the round-trip efficiency of H2 as seasonal energy-storage medium will beat any other energy storage media, and will have the biggest potential capacity at the least cost per kWh of capacity.

Lad

I like the fuel cell in one application; electric flight.

Use excess electricity to create hydrogen from water; then use it on hybrid aircraft. The driveline would be a fuel cell using hydrogen to generate electricity for electric motor/prop or electric motor/enclosed fan driven propulsion.

Roger Pham

Good point, Lad.
Sadly, however, the current market for personal planes is very very small, and as such, these small planes are still using WWII-engine technology and leaded gasoline, due to lack of investment in developing new power plants.

Hopefully, with maturing FCEV automotive technologies, these can be adapted to small planes with minimum development costs. So, the hope for future FC-electric flight will depend on a flourishing FCEV automotive market.

Adapting automotive FC-e-motor to aircraft use is far simpler than adapting automotive engines for aviation use. E-motors are far more reliable than combustion engine and have higher power-to-weight ratio, much more compact and much lower frontal area, hence will be far more aerodynamic. I would envision a twin-motor setup, each motor mounted in each wing in order to blow air right in front of the flaps for the purpose of very short-takeoff and landing (STOL). With this STOL capability and with the reliability of e-motors, AND QUIET OPERATION, regular runways may not be needed, just a small grassy field would be sufficient, and this would open more doors to general aviation. Imagine an aviation community having a small grassy strip in the back of the house for STOL by electric aircraft having foldable wings for storage right by the house.

The future much lower cost of H2 in comparison to current AVgas' cost, and lower cost of FC-emotor vs aviation engines today, and far higher reliability, with absence of noise and pollution... perhaps will bring revival to a now-near-dead general aviation activity.

SJC

Electric private aviation could be done with E100 or synthetic diesel by reforming the fuel to hydrogen then using it in a PEM fuel cell.

The beauty of an FCEV plane is if the fuel ran out, the pilot would have 20 minutes of batteries to find a place to land.

Mike999

No Problem DaveMart,

And I do think, we the general public Are Smarter then Toyota's CEO.
I've seen how "Capitalism" works, just by watching Exxon.

If the CEO has an incentive, from the oil industry, or the fracking/methane industry to create a hydrogen car, that's what the CEO will do. What your seeing is:
1) A CEO with a financial incentive from the Japanese hydrocarbon - fracking industry.
2) A CEO getting Extorted by the Japanese fracking industry.

Look at Exxon compared to GE.
Exxon has no PLAN B to move into Solar and Wind, and in a price war with Saudi Arabia, they're losing refinery marketshare. So they have a PE of 12.
GE, diversified in Wind and Solar and Nuclear has a PE of 20.33 today.
Who's managed better?
GE of course.
So, why is Tillerson mismanaging Exxon?
Exxon could spend 20 Billion a year on a Solar and Wind Rollout, and save Exxon employee JOBS. And yet he runs the company like a Right Wing Troll.
Because he controls the Board, he has No Incentive to Manage the Company for the Future, so we're watching the slow Suicide of Exxon.

Incentives make CEO's manage their companies for Their Benefit instead of the Nations benefit.

Lad

Mike:
Interesting. It's hard for Exxon to play it any other way because they've had it their way since Rockefeller ran the company in the 1880s. Exxon is all about controlling the market and buying politicians to do their bidding; it's always been that way with Exxon. The only difference is in 2014, they share control with four other oil giants. They are all members of the same club called The American Petroleum Institute(API) who coordinate their lobbying efforts and planning. The fix is in and always has been.
from the energy market control business, if it ever happens. Big Oil now call themselves Big Energy? Kinda scary that they might decide to take over the Green Energy Market.

Lad

correction:
Add to last paragraph: "It'll be difficult to dislodge Big Oil".....

HarveyD

@ gor:

You may have to move to NYC where (not so clean electricity) cost 4.35 times what you pay for clean Hydro electricity anywhere in Québec.

Goverments get $3B/year in taxes and another $3B/year in Dividends from Hydro-Québec.

Customers get clean ultra reliable electricity at one of the lowest rate in the industrial nations. Here are a few comparative rates for you, as of 01 April 2014.

1. Montréal QC (and all cities in QC) = 100
2. Winnipeg = 112
3. Vancouver = 138
4. Seatle, WA = 148
5. Miami, FL = 155
6. Chicago, IL = 165
7. Edmonton, AB = 168
8. Portland, OR = 169
9. Nashville, TN = 183
10. Houston, TX = 183
11. Calgary, AB = 190
12. Ottawa, ON = 191
13. Toronto, ON = 195 (clean Nuke energy)
14. Halifax, NS = 227
15. Detrit, MI = 229
16. Boston, MA = 289
17. San Fransisco,CA 370
18. New Yory City 435.

So, gor, you must have been misinformed.


SJC

I could see Toyota, Honda and Hyundai leasing FCVs then providing free hydrogen for the 3 year lease. You might get some customers in selected areas.

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