I say God Bless G. W. Bush!!!! Things like this only prove nothing. "The science isn't in yet". Who cares about Global Warming, or an Oil Whore War based on lies. Not burning every drop of oil and speck of coal is unchristian and unpatriotic!! "You are either with us or against us".

New Orleans is "Blue". Florida is partially "Blue".
The "Red" part of Florida is in the panhandle.
The eastern and western coasts are "Blue".
So there could indeed be some method to the GOP position on Global Warming:
they want to drown the part of the country that don't vote GOP.

hahahaha......
So what? Yeah, I guess the world is getting warmer. But what difference does it make? You guys act like this is the end of the human race. Pull your heads out.
The simple fact of the matter is that most people don't care, and it annoys you that the world disagrees with you. They have been told about the risks, they have read about global warming, they notice things like climate change, and they have decided that their way of life is more important because they understand that it won't lead to the end of the world. I suppose there will be a period of adjustment, but c'mon, the world is not going to end anytime soon.
I guess global warming has become a sort of "religion" that, like many others, needs some sort of massive end of the world cataclysm for it's adherents to hang on to.

Joff--

"They have been told about the risks, they have read about global warming, they notice things like climate change, and they have decided that their way of life is more important because they understand that it won't lead to the end of the world."

Many people care about the world we are going to leave to our children and grandchildren. GW will not lead to the 'end of the world' in your lifetime, perhaps, but it will certainly lead to the end of the world as we know it in the lifetime of my children. Part of 'adjustment' is going to be lower standards of living for 'most people'. Once this becomes clear, 'most people' may start to take a different view of the matter.

People will really believe when Greenland is green again. Till then its just one more claim by a group of scientists that the world is in grave danger. Maybe they should pay attention to this one; but their experience in the past is that every time a group of scientists proclaim the apocolypse... nothing happens.

My advice... structure your lives with the assumption that we are in fact going to burn every last drop of oil and pound of coal. Every last one. You can't save the world, but you can do a lot to help your kids adapt.

Joff--

"Better to light one candle..."

Oops, sorry I read the posted by before each post instead of after. I need to say sorry LAFN and Nick.

Joff, on the other hand represents a really sad position

I agree with Andrey on this. I do not know Archimedes law, but do know that ice expands when it freezes, instead of contracting like every other property. Thats why pipes, or radiators, burst when they freeze. Hence I feel the melting ice, or water, takes up less space/volume than ice, or that it equals out if it floats.

I also do not see how anyone can blame one country, one government, or one administration (Bush's) for the cause of this melting ice. This was started well before Bush, and well before Clinton. It could be argued that perhaps it started as far back as Lincoln, or further! But I am not convinced that it is indeed a product of anything us humans have done, or even as big of a problem as we are being led to believe, but a normal cycle of events in our earths normal cycles. Us humans inhabit only a small skin of the earths entire mass.

But also, at the same time I agree that we need to be good stewards of this planet, and not waste/consume just for consuming sake. We can use the resources of this world smarter.

As Andrey postscripted above, Archimedes law does not apply to the Greenland ice sheet which if melted could raise sea level 20 feet. This polyna evidence does not bode well for Greenland.

Yes you can blame a country, e.g. the US contributes 25% to worldwide GHG, 4x the global per capita.
This is about the haves and the have-nots. There should be a blog for those that want to promote inconspicuous consumption,e.g. bourgeois.com

"I also do not see how anyone can blame one country, one government, or one administration (Bush's)"

The US produces 20% of the world's CO2. The US is 4.5% of the world's population.
Does that give you a clue where the responsibility lies.

Freedom, democracy, progress, economic theories, scientific concepts: these are all ideas and abstractions. One must be able to handle the printed word in order to understand and contemplate and debate these topics. It's obvious from some of the posts here, that the more time we spend overconsuming to satisfy our egos- the less our brains will be able to comprehend the written word and mathematical symbols; the less we will be able to deal with ideas, theories, and analytics.

Well, if it's better to be amoral and selfish because the short-term rewards outweigh our moral integrity, then how about this? When climate change and peak oil destroy the tax base of the debt-ridden American empire, and the rich turn the country into a feudal dictatorship with privatized prisons as slave labor camps guarded by armed Christian fascists, how about I dedicate the rest of my life to something I truly find pleasurable? Revenge! As in I take out the handy list I've been keeping since Sept. 2006 of all the jerkholes who have really outraged me with their contribution to or indifference towards this tragedy, and start hunting them down for sport? The vicious? Vitrified! The vacuous? Vaporized! Vindictiveness? Vindicated! A venal vendetta for the vapid neo-Victorians. How much damage do you think one man, or ten thousand, like me could do once the government is broke and serious weapons are as available as they now are in Iraq?

V

Well, silly rants about the end of the American "Empire" and revenge aside, the whole idea of hunting down the people that contributed to the problem is alot of nonsense. One person or Ten Thousand? Just angry rambling. Is the rest of the world supposed to believe that people of your opinion are not so different from white nationalist militia nut jobs? If you and your "Ten Thousand" were serious about stopping the problem with violence, you would be doing it now.
Misguided threats weaken your case. It isn't much different from the extremists that attempted to burn down Hummer dealers - how many converts do you think they got aside from the useless and bored rich kids looking for the next trendy cause. And Christian Fascist prison guards? Hahahahahaha.......Really, I would take them over climate change obsessives any day - after all, they have been running the show for quite a while now, and I can still do pretty much whatever I want. With your kind at the helm, I couldn't even light a camp fire without paying a zillion dollar carbon tax.
All is not lost, however - perhaps we can find common ground in the fact that "V for Vendetta" was possibly the worst movie ever made.