MIT Model Compares Effects of Different Carbon Cap and Trade Proposals in Congress
30 June 2007
The MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change recently applied its Emissions Prediction and Policy Analysis model to evaluate a set of cap-and-trade proposals under consideration by the US Congress.
The proposals, which specify emissions reductions to be achieved through 2050 for the standard six-gas basket of greenhouse gases, fall into two groups: one specifying reductions of 50% to 80% below 1990 levels by 2050; the other establishing a tightening target for emissions intensity and stipulating a time-path for a “safety valve” limit on the emission price that approximately stabilizes US emissions at the 2008 level.
The MIT researchers defined a set of three synthetic emissions paths that spanned the range of stringency of these proposals, and the analyzed those cases for their consequences in terms of emissions prices, effects on energy markets, welfare cost, the potential revenue generation if allowances are auctioned and the gains if permit revenue were used to reduce capital or labor taxes.
Those proposals with goals of substantially cutting US emissions between now and 2050 would likely generate prices in the range of $30 to $55 per ton of CO2-e in 2015, rising to the range of $120 to over $200 by 2050: economic welfare losses from the mitigation policy are estimated to rise to 1.1% to almost 2% by 2050. If economic decision-makers were less than confident that measures would be imposed without relaxation to 2050 then there might be somewhat lower levels of banking, leading to lower prices and costs in early periods and higher prices and costs later.
Optimism about future technology would reduce banking and near-term abatement and CO2-e prices. Greater pessimism on future technology or abatement potential would drive near term prices and abatement higher. No assessment was carried out of the economic effects of climate change avoided or ancillary benefits of emissions mitigation, but of course these benefits would provide at least a partial offset to the mitigation cost. However, because of the long-lived nature of greenhouse gases and the moderating influence of the ocean, much of the climate benefit of reductions through 2050 would accrue beyond the horizon of this analysis.
Those proposals that would slow or stop the rise in emissions but not substantially cut them from today’s levels have somewhat lower costs. A policy that froze emissions at 2008 levels would generate a price of $18 per ton of CO2-e in 2015, rising to around $70 by 2050. Related proposals specify a safety valve of $6 per ton of CO2-e rising to $39 by 2050. If the US pursued this target alone it would essentially freeze emissions at 2008 levels and have welfare costs that rose to just above 0.4%, but the effectiveness and cost of this proposal depends highly on assumptions about policy abroad, as well as other uncertainties that we have not explored.
Simulations using the MIT Integrated Global System Model show that the proposals with 50% to 80% targets are consistent with global goals of atmospheric stabilization at 450 to 550 ppmv CO2—but only if other nations, including the developing countries, follow. The MIT model predicts that if no action is taken, US greenhouse gas emissions will double by 2050, with global levels growing even faster and continuing to rise for the rest of the century.
The authors of the report conclude that more important than the specific numbers resulting form the analysis are some derived broad insights that may help shape US greenhouse gas mitigation policy:
The cost of policy in the US is greatly affected by policies in the rest of the world.
International emissions trading does not lead to substantial economic efficiency gains unless the US policy is much more stringent than the policy in other regions. If the US policy is similar in stringency (comparing pre-trade CO2-e prices) trade can be welfare worsening because of terms-of-trade effects. One reason emissions trading is less important is that trade in biofuels tends to close the gap between pre-trade emissions prices so that this energy-trade substitutes for trading in emissions allowances.
Cutting emissions in the US and world implies a transition to carbon-free transportation fuels. One of the more technology-ready options is biofuels. The scale of production required to substantively contribute to abatement would require extensive conversion of land to bioenergy crops and in the process could release carbon stored in vegetation and soils.
“We were not able to investigate the magnitude of this effect, but given the area of land involved it would be large. ”
To avoid reductions in carbon dioxide emissions from fuel use being offset by land use emissions, it will be necessary to price land-use emissions similarly to emissions from fossil fuel. Ideally, land-use emissions would be part of the same cap-and-trade system as fuel emissions, or would be subject to the same CO2-e tax or price incentive.
With no restrictions on biomass trade, the US would mainly be an importer of biofuels when there is a stringent domestic mitigation policy. Rather than going to biofuels production, US farmland would be used to produce food for export; regions abroad would devote more of their agricultural land to biomass and import agricultural products from the US.
If the US restricts biofuels use to domestically produced feedstock more than the total of all current US cropland would be required. In this case, the US would become a large importer of food, fiber, and forest products, rather than the net exporter of these products as is currently the case.
Potential revenue from allowance sales or a CO2-e tax (or windfall gain to those to whom allowances were freely distributed) are substantial under the emissions limits examined, ranging from about $130 to $370 billion per year in 2015 to $250 to $515 billion per year in 2050. The CO2-e revenue is on the order of 10 to 15% of estimated future total Federal tax revenue, ranging across scenarios and over time from 5 to nearly 20%.
One use of auction or tax revenue is to cut existing taxes, for example, on labor and capital.
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Many complex issues here but even then I wonder if several factors have been omitted. For example carbon emissions may decline naturally as fossil fuels deplete whereas MIT seem to assume unlimited availability. There are welfare costs in not taking action, for example health and water problems. US terms-of-trade may not worsen if other countries have similar problems, and so on.
It seems odd to have a safety valve price cap when in the European scheme the carbon price fell to nearly zero. MIT assumes a tendency to relentless economic growth while others think a global slowdown is likely.
Posted by: Aussie | 30 June 2007 at 02:42 PM
Enough talk of new technologies such as hybrids, fuel-cells, and ethanol. We are spiraling down the inevitable slide that will result in more WAR, more energy expense, more global warming, more divide between the rich and poor. Four basic steps need to occur to change the face of our growing energy needs, so much of which is centered on our PERSONAL transportation needs.
We need to change our transportation paradigm. Technology is finally available to make it happen (think if we had started this back in 1975!):
1. Focus on electric-only vehicles using newly evolving battery and motor technology.
2. Public recharging stations as well as employer and retailer promotion of on-site charging.
3. Development of alternative electricity-generating stations on a national scale devoted solely to personal transportation (wind, solar, water - for consumer and industrial applications).
4. Development of ultra-light personal transportation vehicles, sized and weighted for effective and efficient transportation of one soul and his/her gear (most of our travel is for one - this item makes each and all the aforementioned viable. Commuter vehicles have no need to weigh more the 2 times their total payload weight!). THREE KW/hrs., NOT 150, is all that is needed for a 25 mi. commute.
Industry and societal conversions to this scenario will benefit all:
1. Oil companies can convert to power generation and grid supply. Consumer-based power generation will give them added supply capacity through "net-metering."
2. Auto companies can develop smaller, simpler vehicles that are MUCH cheaper to produce, offering higher sales and a higher rate of return. Global sales will boom, considering the rest of the world is much better positioned with respect to accepted societal behavior using ultra-light personal vehicles.
3. Retail organizations and employers have new ways to attract customers and employees.
4. Consumers will spend MUCH less on transport. and through personal power generation will have less need to rely on outside power sources. Poorer families will be less constrained with vehicle expense that is much less than what it available today. Speed and power-hungry individuals will be well served with vehicle performance like they have never imagined, much less seriously considered.
5. With more smaller vehicles on the road, our highway and surface street footprint will be greatly reduced, boosting quality of life in the form of progressively less traffic congestion, fewer accidents and lower insurance rates.
The grand scheme of things benefits most:
1. No more reliance on foreign oil, with all that entails (price gouging, trade sanctions, WAR).
2. The Earth actually has a realistic chance to recover from this horrible disaster of global warming, in a viable time frame, before irreversible doom end it for all of us.
3. United States will again be a front-runner in transportation technology, selling to the entire world the "democracy" and products we will have become accustomed to.
A collective reworking of our infrastructure, behavior and attitudes can be done, once we shed our current big business lobbying arrangement, set aside our arrogance, and open our eyes to what really makes the wheels spin in this country.
This IS our only hope in surviving the next one hundred years. To continue down our present path, rolling over to what big business and its associated consumerism dictates to us, will be our inevitable end. Consider what we need to do to reverse this, and act accordingly.
Posted by: John Date | 30 June 2007 at 05:48 PM
John D.
You've described a vision for personal transport. Please add a comment about how we'll move the freight. If we make ultra-small transportation vehicles for people will my 1000-lb car have to share the roads with 18 wheelers?
Posted by: JamesEE | 30 June 2007 at 06:21 PM
John, how do you stop the big buisiness lobbying mechanism? This does seem to me to be a significant problem in this and many other "democracies".
Posted by: marcus | 30 June 2007 at 06:48 PM
johnd,
you said what wopuld have been if we started in 1975.
I got news for you we did!
The peoples wagon, the first tiny car to sell in large numbers inthe USA, had 42 gross HP motor, (about 18 HP be todasy measures)and a max speed of 65mph(optimistically), and a fuel efficiency rating of 16 mpg.
It polluted like more than a thousand cars do today; and drank fuel worse than any present day SUV.
We have coem a very long way, already!! I'm gald you noticed.
Posted by: Stan Peterson | 30 June 2007 at 06:49 PM
Hi JamesEE...The semis & 500 pound motorcycles have comradery. What scared me most was the 3000 pound cars pulling out in front of me.
Hi John Date...Great ideas. I love efficiency & electric motors are the most efficient transport...ever. Get rid of all the Internal Combustion Engines. But get rid of the size of vehicles too. Even if electric energy storage densities are wildly increased making the electric motor viable, Americans will still find reasons to make an electric vehicle so big that the needed electric energy production(even if renewable) & motor transport somehow will still kill the earth.
Posted by: litesong | 30 June 2007 at 07:00 PM
Here's another early contribution to fuel economy. The first generation Honda Civic. 40mpg in 1973! However, keep in mind that the first anti-smog emissions control equipment actually reduced fuel mileage, and new safety regulations have made cars progressively larger and heavier, which necessitates more horsepower to maintain performance, necessarily impacting fuel economy. (That first Civic was only 1,500 pounds!)
Today's Civic sedan gets about the same mileage and is a much cleaner vehicle to operate. I'd still call that progress.
As for a one person vehicle, well, there are lots of two-wheeled options for that made by Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Vespa, and a few other scooter makers. However, they are not really suitable for many climates in the US. We'll need something like the Venture One.
Posted by: Cervus | 30 June 2007 at 07:08 PM
It is easy ot predict that studies that make assumptions that are absurd, lead to recomendatiosn that are equally absurd.
Even if CO2 cannaot be routinely replaced as all evidence indicates that it will be.
Even if CO2 is still a greatly needed byproduct of fossil usage, its output will be minimized below present levels, without subsidy.
Even if there is a real market for CO2 credits, predicting the market clearing price 50 or 75 years from now is absurd; when people can't predict the futures price for commodities for next Tuesday.
Posted by: Stan Peterson | 30 June 2007 at 07:12 PM
I'm with you John. My scooter only requires 3kwh for almost all of my transportation needs. When it comes to semis we're already so out-sized already I don't think going to smaller cars will matter anyway. What you need John, (and I'd like one as well to keep out of the rain) is a Venture 1
flytheroad.com
Posted by: [email protected] | 30 June 2007 at 08:11 PM
From the days of good humored "Rowman and Martin's Laugh In" this report is deserving of the "Fickle Finger of Fate" Award. It is a demonstration of how academia, government, industry, etc. have found a new teat upon which to suckle. The teat is the industry of climate change. This group of "MIT" authors are economists. Not environmentalists, physicists, meteorologists, etc. There is only one who qualifies as a scientist and his credentials are from St. Petersburg Russia. Two of the authors have no backgrounds, bios, CVs or education according to google search. Hmmm.
The Cap and Trade simulations referred to here are sizing up as a new invention from the Street types who give us derivatives and commodities. In this case the commodity is CO2. You want to manufacture something and that manufacture process produces GHGs?? Pony up boys. You have to buy some credits to offset your emissions.
All this may not be so bad if it were aimed only at improving the environment - but read the last paragraph of the GCC article. $370 billion per year in 2015 for "allowance sales or CO2-e taxes." An end-run on the carbon tax scheme for which there is zero support globally. Consumers end up paying for all these schemes so basically government (and cohorts) will be charging you for the atmosphere. Which as has been pointed out by multiple disciplines, includes water vapor, aka clouds - the largest portion of GHG in the atmosphere.
Folks, what we have here is a shift of economics from the sale and trade of oil to the sale and trade of... well, no other way to put it - air. Wasn't there a band in the 70s called... "Air Supply?"
Posted by: gr | 30 June 2007 at 09:23 PM
Equating big business and climate change science (if that's what you are trying to do gr) just reveals a complete ignorance of what science is and the way science is done. Remember scientists deal with measurements of the real world. Any result of significance will be the subject of scrutiny by other scientists trying to replicate their results - it’s a competitive business. If they cannot be replicated then that’s the end of them - reputation and funding goes down the drain. Sure, there are a few idiots who try it and just look what happens - eg the recent Korean cloning disaster. They just don't get away with it for very long. Now there are literally thousands of research groups working in the climate field so to believe they are all some how in some conspiracy is just plain crazy.
As for this study, In terms of studying economic means to reduce CO2 (such as cap and trade), who would you expect as authors of such a study - meteorologists, physicists, environmentalists? I don't think so. Economists of course!
Posted by: marcus | 01 July 2007 at 12:37 AM
Marcus:
In that vein, I've taken to reading the Environmental Economics blog.
Posted by: Cervus | 01 July 2007 at 09:29 AM
The report is flawed a many grounds, to name a few not yet mentioned:
1. Does not consider a peak oil event
2. Does not consider use of waste biomass (agriculture waste, garbage, sewage) which does not effect land use.
3. Does not even mention the electric car!
Posted by: Ben | 01 July 2007 at 10:11 AM
Replication of scientific results?!
AGW “science” does not disclose their methods and codes to be replicated and verified. Global temperature, used by IPCC, becomes cooler in 1940 and hotter in 1970 with every consequent IPCC report – Hansen and Jones teams apply ad hoc adjustments and do not disclose how they do it. Climate models do not disclose code, algorithm, and raw data; they never were replicated or verified independently. NASA Hansen team did not disclose how adjustments to satellite temperature measurements were made. Same with satellite measurements of ocean level. The whole theory of GHG effect calculations is not disclosed by IPCC.
The theory which predicts end of the world and argue us to change our lives and pour trillions of dollars into it is no more than “trust me, I should know” claims of bunch of prostitutes, somehow considering themselves ‘scientists”.
The terrifying picture of this high fraud is well documented on, for example, climateaudit.org
Posted by: Andrey | 01 July 2007 at 10:41 AM
As gondolas replace taxis on Wall St and Madison Ave there will still be folks "documenting" that the continents are sinking as Greenland's ice cap disappears.
I hate cap and trade schemes. It is like trying to eliminate murder buy auctioning off licenses to kill. The only way to eliminate fossil carbon releases is to stop using fossil fuels just as we have stopped using tetraethyl lead and certain types of freon.
Posted by: tom deplume | 01 July 2007 at 01:18 PM
From our last exchange Andrey its become clear that your statements on climate chage simply cannot be trusted.
Posted by: marcus | 01 July 2007 at 02:27 PM
Instead of arguing about the reality and causes of global warming (and I believe it is anthropogenic), it is more important to have a serious discussion about how to prevent catastrophic consequences by curtailing GHG emissions.
Lets assume that we must reduce our CO2, CH4 etc. by 50% or so in then next few decades. How will we do it?
1. A carbon tax (accompanied by tax shifting to make it more acceptable to business and workers) is simpler and more effective than cap and trade. The later failed in its first year in the EU since some assigned caps were greater than the historical emissions. Also we cannot trust our congress to assign lower caps each year in order to reduce CO2? Better would be automatic feedback; if emissions do not decrease, the tax increases incrementally until the goals are met. Revenue generated by the tax must be used for projects to further reduce consumption such as R/D on alternative transportation, funding electrically powered mass transit, some biofuels research, efficiency tax credits, low interest loans, weatherization etc.
2. Transportation efficiency: CAFÉ standards should be increased and modified to eliminate loopholes. Consumer Reports stated that the flexfuel loop hole allows flexfuel vehicles with an actual EPA fuel economy rating of 21 MPG to receive a credit of 35 MPG. We must discuss a minimum vehicle fuel efficiency. The gas or diesel fueled Hummer may be prohibited. Electrically powered trains for freight and mass transit as in Europe and short range electrical vehicles for local transportation are probably the long term solution. Biofuels are increasing ozone pollution, GHG emissions, energy use and soil depletion. There will probably be some small amount of biofuels in our future energy supply but their use must not deplete soil fertility. Patzek shows that our current annual consumption of fossil fuels and nuclear energy surpasses the entire primary biological productivity of the 48 states. We must not force 3rd world tropical countries to switch their agriculture to energy crops for us. No agricultural imperialism.
3. Energy efficiency: As Amory Lovins has stated for years, we do not use energy just for the sake of consuming it, we want the services it provides. Efficiency and conservation are essential parts of any solution to global warming and peak fossil fuel.
We will follow Australia’s example and ban the incandescent light bulb within a few years. It is easily replaced by fluorescent and LED fixtures. The last time I worked in MO, I replaced 14 60 watts lights in the apartment we rented with 14 watt CFL’s. We just built several light fixtures with Cree’s new LED that provide about 70 lumens/watt, about the same as a PL9 compact fluorescent and 5 times the efficacy of an incandescent bulb. LED’s will continue to improve to perhaps double the efficacy of the best fluorescents within a few years.
In 1981 I wrote an article for Solar Age on recovering heat from graywater (water from showers etc.) to preheat water entering a water heater. A recent calculation shows that universal application of this simple, passive heat exchanger technology in all residences in the US would reduce annual energy (electricity, natural gas and fuel oil) consumption by 1/3 Ejoule and GHG emissions by 30 million metric tonnes.
Smart energy metering for residences, commercial and industrial consumers will allow real time pricing, display of customer consumption and costs, automatic control of some loads, e.g. irrigation pumps and some appliances such as washing machines and hot water heaters can run during off peak hours or at times when some alternative energy (such as wind) is at is maximum availability. Real time display of costs itself reduces consumption. We will adopt CA’s multitier pricing for energy assuring a lifeline rate for low income households. Added income from charging for excessive consumption will be used for weatherization. Real time display of costs itself reduces consumption.
Cogeneration (Combined heat and power) should be encouraged with low interest loans from utility companies. Several energy companies have designed residential sized generators for grid tied systems. We should use our remaining natural gas to maximum advantage while it is replaced with some biomass based fuels and electricity.
4. Building Efficiency: We construct a building once but be must heat, cool and light it for its entire life. We must mandate minimum building efficiency for insulation and lighting as we attempted to do after the first oil crisis in 1973. Government buildings should lead the way starting immediately with a policy to at least minimize life cycle costs. Discounting future expenses is wrong for a finite resource. (Architects can be sent to reeducation camps in very hot or very cold climates and forced to live in some of the stupid buildings they designed)
5. Alternative Energy: I live in MT and we had our first large windfarm installed in 2004, ninety 1.5 MW turbines. It took less than a year to install and produces about 3% of MT electricity consumption. There is wind for hundreds of more farms in MT alone. No GHG’s and we don’t need the national guard to protect them as with nuclear generators. Plans to install wave action generation in Puget sound and HI have been approved. All government buildings will purchase only renewable electricity within 5 years.
6. Trade Policy: Those who argue that our unilateral action on global warming is useless because developing nations’ increasing emissions offset any gains we make are not being sincere. We will use trade policy to force any county trading with us to reduce their emissions. Tariffs will be used to encourage compliance and income will be used to further reduce our own GHG emissions.
7: Population: The US is growing at about 3 million persons/year. We cannot keep up with that growth so we must have a government policy and action to accomplish ZPG.
8. Political: I would like to see community based energy policy committees which would promote local solutions and provide a wide variety of approaches.
I’d appreciate comments. Remember, I made the a priori assumption that we will act.
Posted by: Glenn | 01 July 2007 at 08:24 PM
All the energy and clean-tech blogs seem to have attracted a horde of disinformation artists.
I would not be surprised to learn that many or most of them are paid denialists.
Posted by: Engineer-Poet | 01 July 2007 at 09:59 PM
marcus: mail me, if you don't mind?
Posted by: Engineer-Poet | 01 July 2007 at 10:04 PM
E-P:
The funny thing is that Andrey and many other climate change skeptics here are still strong proponents of efficiency and alternative energy. Is it possible to simply ignore their skepticism and work toward what are obviously some common goals? As long as we're growling and fighting each other, nothing will happen at all.
Posted by: Cervus | 01 July 2007 at 10:27 PM
Marcus:
You certainly should not trust my word, or anyone else on the matter on AGW. But take into consideration the last in a row of emotional testimonies of world leading scientist Dr. Nilse-Axel Morner, head of Paleophysics Department of Stockholm University, 1999-2003 president of INQUA commission on sea level, studying the subject for 35 years:
“Tide gauging is very complicated. IPCC choose Honk Kong, which have six gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives 2.3 mm sea level rise. Every geologist knows that it is subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sediment, it is the only record which you should not use…Not even ignorance could be responsible for things like that.
Back to satellite altimetry, it shows no sea rise from 1992 to 2002, absolutely no trend! Then, in 2003, the same data set, which in IPCC publications and web site was a straight line – suddenly it changed and showed very strong uplift of same as tide gauge 2.3 mm per year. It looked as thought they recorded something; but they hadn’t recorded anything. It was the original one which they suddenly had twisted up, because they entered “a correction factor”, which they took from tide gauge. So it was not a measured thing, but a figure introduced from outside. …It is terrible… they answered, that we had to do it, because otherwise we would not have any trend!
…It is a falsification of data set! Why? Because they know the answer!”
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_20-29/2007-25/pdf/33-37_725.pdf
Glenn:
Conservation, renewable energy, biofuels, etc. are all good and beneficial. But they have severe limitations and can not substitute sizeable amount of energy provided by fossil fuels. Move from oil as transportation fuel of choice is absolutely necessary, but it is long and complicated process. BTW, transportation emits only 20% of CO2 emissions from combustion of fossil fuels, less than meat and milk production industry emits CO2 equivalent, which could not be “decarbonized” even theoretically. The only one real opportunity to seriously reduce GHG emissions is nuclear power. Before nuclear power generation will be embraced by all AGW concerned countries, everything else, including recent MIT study, is vaporware.
Posted by: Andrey | 01 July 2007 at 10:47 PM
We are poking a little fun at the framers of this report while also observing the economic boondoggle calling itself "Cap and Trade." Anytime revenues are projected on the order of this report (annually equaling the entire defense budget) one must be circumspect about its motives. Follow the money.
The programmatic movement to alternative fuels/resources will lower the use of fossil fuels significantly. PHEVs will be on the road in two years. Clean coal will have to be the transitional fuel for near term power generation. AND it should be mandated that any new plants regardless of location (i.e. China & India) must be clean technology. As usual in these exercises there is little or no acknowledgment of aquaculture to produce biodiesel which addresses the issue of who grows what crops where. Disingenuous or lazy science?
It's clear that some believe draconian measures are the only solution to social problems. Sending architects to "reeducation camps" is the solution of totalitarian regimes relying on punitive action rather than productive action. Punitive action produces resistance - productive action produces results.
Also, relying on IPCC and Hanson as the major source of climate opinion is short sighted at best. Hanson's own papers refute his current claims. The appearance of catastrophe has only so much effect. Then you have to step forward and face your critics in open dialog. We have yet to hear anyone talk about how to reduce the largest volume GHG in our atmosphere - water vapor.
Posted by: gr | 01 July 2007 at 11:27 PM
gr: Reeducation camps for architects was hyperbole, however, if we are serious about the future, sustainability criteria must trump many other building design considerations. About 15 years ago I was in a charette on sustainable development with the AIA, NPS and several conservation groups, about 75 persons. Architects had no clue and talked about recycled cherry wood for cabinets and other trivia.
We don't need draconian penalties to engineer domestic solutions; education, leadership, standards and financial incentives will suffice. Compare tax incentives, a progressive rate structure for energy consumption, CAFE standard with going to war in the Middle East to secure more oil supplies.
Andry: Using nuclear to increase our electrical supply and to replace coal will require breeder reactors with increased potential for nuclear weapons. Nuclear power is always a precursor for weapons programs. We can set an example by decommissioning our existing reactors and burning up the spent fuel. I know from experience, we can usually reduce electrical consumption in most buildings by 50% without much effort. There are much more efficient appliances, e.g. 8 watt refrigerators, efficient lighting, induction cooking etc., much easier and less dangerous than nuclear. The graywater exchanger example I gave above would save 20 billion kwh/year and eliminate 12 million tonnes of CO2/year just from electrical savings; nuclear generated 465 billion kwh in 2005 and less net. The CEC just passed efficiency standards for some previously unregulated appliances which will ultimately save a GW and 2 million tonnes CO2/year.
Posted by: glenn | 02 July 2007 at 11:40 AM
Andrey, cherry picking again. I guess you can't help it when you get all your arguments from hack websites. See this most recent paper.
Comment on “Estimating future sea level change from past records”
by Nils-Axel Mörner. (2007). R.S. Nerem a,b,⁎, A. Cazenave c, D.P. Chambers d, L.L. Fu e, E.W. Leuliette a, G.T. Mitchum. Global and Planetary Change 55 (2007) 358–360
A telliing quote:
"We feel compelled to respond to the recent article by
Mörner (2004) because he makes several major errors in
his analysis, and as a result completely misinterprets the
record of sea level change from the TOPEX/Poseidon
(T/P) satellite altimeter mission. One major criticism we
have with the paper is that Mörner does not include a
single reference to any altimeter study, all of which
refute his claim that there is no apparent change in
global mean sea level (GMSL) [see Cazenave and
Nerem, (2004) for a summary]. The consensus of all
other researchers looking at the T/P and Jason data is
that GMSL has been rising at a rate of 3.0 mm/year
(Fig. 1) over the last 13 years (3.3 mm/year when
corrected for the effects of glacial isostatic adjustment
(Tamisiea et al., 2005)).
Mörner gives no details for the source of the data or
processing strategy he used to produce Fig. 2, other than
to say it is based on “raw data”. Because the details of
the analysis are not presented in his paper, we are left to
speculate on how this result could have been obtained,
based on our years of experience as members of the T/P
and Jason-1 Science Working Team. Mörner was apparently
oblivious to the corrections that must be made
to the “raw” altimeter data in order to make correct use
of the data.........."
Posted by: marcus | 02 July 2007 at 01:17 PM
In case you can't get access to this paper Andrey or anyone else, basically there are compelling reasons for that "correction factor" Andrey is complaining about.
The first error in the original data was due to drift in the TOPEX Microwave Radiometer. Although this was first noticed by comparison to tide gauges, it was then confirmed by comparisons to other orbiting microwave radiometers and radiosondes.
The second error in the original data was due to degradation of the instrument. It caused an erroneous apparent drop in sea level by a cm at the end of 1998. This drop can be seen in Fig. 2 of Morners paper!
This adds to a long list of misinformation that you propogate Andrey. Either you are ignorant or you are paid. Either way you aren't being very productive and you are wasting my time.
Posted by: marcus | 02 July 2007 at 05:23 PM