Update on the US Senate Energy Bill, Part 4; Coal-Derived Fuels Standard Rejected
19 June 2007
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SA 1628 would have established a coal-derived fuel standard with minimum levels of coal-derived transportation fuels required annually. Click to enlarge. |
In debate on the energy bill, the US Senate on Tuesday rejected an amendment (SA 1628) that had been proposed on Monday that would have established mandatory levels of coal-derived fuels in the national fuel mix starting in 2016.
The Senate also rejected an amendment that would have established a loan program for Fischer-Tropsch fuels (SA 1614) and an amendment that would have provided wider state control of the siting and operation of LNG terminals (SA 1610). The Senate did approve the “NOPEC” amendment (SA 1519).
A table of the current status of amendments follows. Amendments with numbers in bold have been accepted; amendments with number stricken through have been rejected, tabled or withdrawn.
Proposed Amendments to Senate Energy Bill (amended H.R.6) 12 June 2007 | |||
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Amendment | Sponsor(s) | Title and/or notes | |
Inhofe and Thune | “Gas Price Act” Defeated 13 June by Yea-Nay vote of 52 to 43. Record Vote Number: 210 | ||
SA 1506 | Stevens and Landrieu | Energy Efficient Lightbulbs | |
SA 1508 | Bayh, Brownback, Lieberman, Coleman, Salazar, Lincoln, Cantwell, Kerry, Dodd, Kohl, Reed, Collins, Nelson | Oil Savings Plan and Requirements. Directs the appropriate agencies of the Federal government to develop a plan to reduce oil consumption by: SA 1508 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 63 - 30. Record Vote Number: 209. | |
SA 1509 SA 1552 |
Craig | Geologic Mapping Reauthorization. Provides $640 million over 10 years (fiscal years 2007 through 2016) for updating and expanding geologic mapping of the US. | |
SA 1510 | Cochran | Increased Capacity of Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Raises the SPR to 1.5 billion barrels from current 1.0 billion barrels. | |
SA 1511 | Murkowski | Study of CAFE Standards for Commercial Trucks. NHTSA to conduct study of the anticipated economic impacts and fuel saving benefits that would result from vehicle fuel economy standards for medium- and heavy duty vehicles, as specified in the main body of the bill. | |
SA 1512 | Murkowski | Broadens the potential uses of funding proposed to support renewable energy projects in Section 215 of the bill. | |
SA 1513 | Murkowski and Stevens | Adds personnel hiring language to the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline Act. | |
SA 1514 | Kerry and Sanders | Renewable Portfolio Standard. | |
SA 1515 | Sanders, Clinton, Kerry, Biden, Salazar | Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Worker Training. Establishes a public program and funds other initiatives that provide training for jobs that are created through renewable energy and energy efficiency initiatives with authorized funding of $100 million per fiscal year. SA 1515 agreed to in Senate by unanimous consent. | |
SA 1516 SA 1533 |
Menendez | Evaluate the effect the laws (including regulations) limiting the siting of privately owned electric distribution wires on and across public rights-of-way might have on the development of combined heat and power facilities. | |
SA 1517 | Menendez | Expands the definition of “State”in the Energy Conservation and Production Act (42 U.S.C. 6862) to include the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. | |
SA 1518 | Menendez | Prohibits oil and gas leasing in the Mid-Atlantic and North Atlantic planning area of the Outer COntinental Shelf. | |
SA 1519 | Kohl, Specter, Leahy, Grassley, Biden, Snowe, Feingold, Schumer, Coburn, Durbin, Lieberman, Boxer, Sanders | NOPEC—“No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act of 2007”. Makes it illegal under the Sherman Act for foreign cartels to limit production of oil, natural gas or petroleum products, or to set or maintain prices. The Attorney General can sue. Approved by Yea-Nea vote 70-23, 19 June. | |
SA 1520 | Cardin | Establishes a “National Commission on Energy Independence” for the US. | |
SA 1521 | Biden | Compact Fluorescent Lighting Grant Program. Establishes a program for grants to States for the distribution of medium base compact fluorescent lamps to households in the State. | |
SA 1524 | Salazar, Grassley, Obama, Harkin, Hagel, Lugar, Feingold, Clinton, Casey, Nelson (Nebraska), Brownback, Kohl, Kerry, Johnson, Tester, Cantwell, Thune, and Cochran | Sense of Congress. By 2025, a US goal of 25% of total energy consumed should be from renewable resources, while the US continues to produce safe, abundant, and affordable food, feed, and fiber. Adopted by voice vote, 15 June. | |
SA 1525 | Sanders | Standards for solar hot water heaters. | |
SA 1526 | Thune | Extension and modification of renewable electricity production credit. | |
SA 1527 | Thune | Extension of the ethanol tariff. Extends the tariff on imported ethanol through 2010. |
Proposed Amendments to Senate Energy Bill (amended H.R.6) 13 June 2007 | |||
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Amendment | Sponsor(s) | Title and/or notes | |
SA 1528 | Bingaman, Domenici | ||
SA 1529 | Bingaman and Domenici | Annual reports on the quantity, type, and cost of each lighting product purchased by the Federal Government. | |
SA 1530 | Pryor | Promotion of energy-saving performance contracts. | |
SA 1531 | Pryor | Energy and water evaluations and efficiency measures for the Federal government. | |
SA 1532 | Thune | Fast-track (180-day) approval of higher blends of ethanol for use in non-flex fuel vehicles for vehicles that receive a satisfactory review based on a study (also in the bill). | |
SA 1534 SA 1565 |
Nelson | Biofuels Investment Trust Fund. | |
SA 1535 | Cardin, Mikulski, Doss, Kerry, Reed, Kennedy, Whitehouse | Siting, construction, expansion and operation of LNG terminals. Federal government cannot approve or disapprove an application for an LNG terminal without the express concurrence of each State affected by the application. | |
SA 1537 | Bingaman, Cardin, Reid, Salazar, Snowe, Durbin | Renewable Portfolio Standard. A different timeline table and different end percentage: | |
Domenici, McConnell, Craig, Bennett, Crapo, Graham, Murkowski | “Clean” Portfolio Standard. Amendment to SA 1537. Defines clean energy to include nuclear generation, carbon capture and sequestration, energy efficiency or demand response programs. Tabled by a vote of 56-39, 14 June. | ||
SA 1539 | Akaka, Murkowski, Snowe | Marine and Hydrokinetic Renewable Energy Promotion. development of power generation from waves, tides and currents. | |
SA 1540 | Carper, Biden | Study of Offshore Wind Resources. | |
SA 1541 | Smith, Cantwell, Murkowski, Wyden | National Ocean Energy Research Centers. | |
SA 1542 | Brownback | Agricultural Byproduct Use Exposition. A trade-show for new products, such as plastics, carpets, disposable dishes, and cosmetics, produced by the entities from agricultural byproducts. | |
SA 1543 | Bayh, Brownback, Lieberman, Coleman, Salazar | GEM Flex-Fuel Vehicle. Expands definition of flex-fuel vehicle to include M85 (85% methanol, 15% gasoline). Gasoline-E85-M85 = GEM. | |
SA 1544 | Casey | Energy Security and Corporate Accountability Act of 2007. Targeted at oil companies. | |
SA 1545 | Enzi | Some escape clauses for the Renewable Fuels Standard. (Drives price of food up, impacts deliverability of goods, etc.) | |
SA 1546 | DeMint | Limitations on legislation that would drive up average fuel price for autos. | |
SA 1547 SA 1586 |
Tester, Bingaman, Reid, Murkowski, Stevens, Salazar, Akaka, Sanders, Snowe | National Geothermal Initiative Act of 2007. Declares a national goal to achieve at least 15% of total electrical energy production in the United States from geothermal resources by not later than 2030. Establishes an initiative to achieve that goal. $515 million from 2008 through 2012; sums as necessary 2013 through 2030. | |
SA 1548 | Durbin | Legislative branch fleet compliance with the efficiency sections of the bill. | |
SA 1549 | Kohl, Feingold, Burr | Use of highly energy-efficient commercial water heating equipment in Federal buildings. | |
SA 1550 | Wyden, Chambliss | Weighing Intelligence for Smarter Energy Act of 2007. Director of National Intelligence to submit to Congress a report on the long-term energy security of the United States. | |
SA 1551 | Cantwell | Federal Standby Power Standard. | |
SA 1556 | Lincoln, Domenici, Pryor, Craig, and Landrieu | Clarifies regulatory scheme for the application, transportation, or storage of livestock manure or poultry litter as energy or fuel production feedstock. | |
SA 1557 | Klobuchar, Snowe, Bingaman | National Greenhouse Gas Registry. Establishes a national greenhouse gas registry. | |
SA 1558 | Obama | Health Care for Hybrids. Federal government will reimburse automakers up to 10% of the total health care costs for retired autoworkers, with the caveat that at least 50% of the reimbursement is put research, development production and worker retraining for fuel-efficient vehicles. Program ends in 2017. | |
SA 1559 | Hagel | Energy-related Regulatory Reform. | |
SA 1560 | Hagel | Tax incentives for the production and conservation of energy. Includes special measures for cellulosic ethanol plants, ethanol pipelines, and coal-to-liquids facilities. | |
SA 1561 | Kohl | Establishes a Strategic Refinery Reserve. Refinery reserve represents excess production capacity that can be used in emergencies. Reserve refineries can be new or reopened closed refineries. |
Proposed Amendments to Senate Energy Bill (amended H.R.6) 14 June 2007 | |||
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Amendment | Sponsor(s) | Title and/or notes | |
SA 1562 | Dorgan and Craig | Domestic Offshore Energy Security Act. | |
SA 1563 | Dorgan, Craig and Kerry | Support for installation of E85 pumps at retail stations. | |
SA 1564 | Tester | Energy-Efficient Schools. Establishes a program to improve the energy-efficiency of, and use of renewable energy in, school buildings. | |
Warner | Authorizes governor of Virginia to petition for offshore gas exploration and extraction 50 miles off the coast. Rejected by Yea-Nay vote of 43-44, 14 June. | ||
SA 1567 | Bingaman and Domenici | Demonstration program for cost-effectiveness of advanced insulation. | |
SA 1568 | Bingaman and Domenici | Coordination of planned outages of refineries. | |
SA 1569 | Bingaman and Domenici | Amends technical criteria for proposed Clean Coal Power Initiative. | |
SA 1570 | Inhofe, Thune and Craig | Pollution audits and reports. Requires detailed bi-annual audit of any funds of more than $100,000 disbursed by National Pollution Funds Center. | |
SA 1571 | Hagel | Facilitate information sharing about and accelerate development of energy-related research. | |
SA 1572 | Salazar, Bayh, Brownback, Lieberman, Coleman, Cantwell, Lincoln, Clinton, Biden, Klobuchar, Durbin | Electric-Drive Transportation Program. Promotes the development of plug-in electric vehicles, deploying near-term programs to electrify the transportation sector, and including electric drive vehicles in the fleet purchasing programs. Agreed to by voice vote, 14 June. | |
SA 1573 | Bingaman, Klobuchar, Reid, Cardin, Salazar | Amendment to amendment SA 1537 (Renewable Portfolio Standard). | |
SA 1574 | Lautenberg | Federal Greenhouse Gas Emissions. Establishes a Federal Emissions Inventory Office within the EPA. | |
SA 1575 | Voinovich, Carper and Inhofe | Amends loan guarantee authority for commercial technology. | |
SA 1576 | Inhofe | Program to accelerate use of geothermal heat pumps at General Services Administration facilities. | |
SA 1577 | Martinez | Establishes a number of penalties and sanctions applied to persons who contribute to Cuba’s development of the undersea hydrocarbon resources off of its north coast. | |
Menendez, Lautenberg and Dole | Modifies amendment SA 1566 to require consent by states within 100 miles of the coastal waters of Virginia. Withdrawn, based on rejection of SA 1566. | ||
SA 1579 | Obama | National Low-Carbon Fuel Standard. Establishes a full lifecycle-based low-carbon fuel standard requiring reduction in average lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions per unit of energy of the aggregate quantity of fuels: | |
SA 1580 | Bayh, Brownback, Lieberman, Coleman, Salazar | Adds methanol to listing of renewable fuels. | |
SA 1581 SA 1607 |
Gregg, Feinstein, Sununu, Kyl, Ensign | Elimination of ethanol tariff. | |
SA 1582 | Martinez | Encourages biofuel blenders to share credits with pipeline and common storage facilities. | |
SA 1583 | Martinez | Accelerates waiver procedure for fuel blends. | |
SA 1584 | Martinez | Categorization of certain blends of gasoline of not more than 3.7% oxygen, by weight, such that the gasoline is equivalent to E-10 gasoline. | |
SA 1585 | Lautenberg and Menendez | State liability for costs incurred by other States as a result of oil or natural gas spill from offshore production. | |
SA 1587 | Brown | Renewable Energy Innovation Manufacturing Partnership Program. Makes grants to eligible entities for use in carrying out research, development, and demonstration relating to the manufacturing of renewable energy technologies. | |
SA 1588 | Brown | Development of a carbon labelling system for goods sold in the US. | |
SA 1589 | Brown | Directs DOE to give financial assistance preference to higher-education for-profit partnerships involved in the development of liquid crystal, photovoltaic, and wind technologies. | |
SA 1590 | Brown | Adds “institutions of higher education, and nonprofit hospitals” to local government buildings for receiving assistance. | |
SA 1591 | Brown | Preference given to existing and former DOE facilities and sites for the conduct of projects and activities. | |
SA 1592 | Brown | Emissions standards for watercraft and small spark-ignition engines. | |
SA 1593 | Isakson | Amendment to alternative average fuel economy standard for low-volume manufacturers and new entrants. | |
SA 1594 | Durbin | Study of establishment of a refined petroleum product reserve. | |
SA 1595 | Kohl | Set asides for auto- and component-makers employing less than 500 people. | |
SA 1596 | Kohl | Study of adequacy of refining infrastructure. | |
SA 1597 | Inouye and Dorgan | Study of the adequacy of transportation of domestically-produced renewable fuel by railroads and other means of transportation. | |
SA 1598 | Inhofe | Adds Gas-to-Liquids and Coal-to-Liquids to renewable fuels standard. | |
SA 1599 | Inhofe | Study on modernization of the hydrocarbon reserves disclosures classification system of the Commission to reflect advances in reserves recovery from nontraditional sources (such as deep water, oil shale, tar sands, and renewable reserves for cellulosic biofuels feedstocks). | |
SA 1600 | Inhofe | Evaluation of Fischer-Tropsch Transportation Fuels. Originally part of SA 1505, which was rejected. | |
SA 1601 | Inhofe | Enables sale of additional credits by the Federal government to refineries, blenders, and importers at a price of $1.00 per gallon of gasoline equivalent to meet obligations under the renewable fuels standard. | |
SA 1602 | Inhofe | Transitional assistance for farmers who plant dedicated energy crops for a local cellulosic ethanol facility. | |
SA 1603 | Brown | Amends performance goals for Federal government: | |
SA 1604 | Schumer | Updates state building energy efficiency codes and standards. | |
SA 1605 | Schumer | State requirements for energy efficiency. | |
SA 1606 | Schumer | In the absence of Federal determination or a standard for energy-efficiency of an appliance, no State standard to be pre-empted. | |
SA 1608 | Corker | Expands definition of clean fuel: | |
SA 1609 | Thune | Report on electric transmission corridors. |
Proposed Amendments to Senate Energy Bill (amended H.R.6) 15 June 2007 | |||
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Amendment | Sponsor(s) | Title and/or notes | |
Cardin, Mikulski, Dodd, Kerry, Reid, Kennedy, Whitehouse, Snowe | Expands definition of “Affected State” with respect to the siting, construction, expansion and operation of a liquefied natural gas terminal. Rejected by Yea-Nea vote 37-56, 19 June. | ||
SA 1611 | Coleman | Broadens requirements for cellulosic ethanol facilities receiving guarantees and gives priority to projects to be carried out in communities with a population of 25,000 or less residents. | |
SA 1612 | Coleman | Requires report on effectiveness and practicability of national use of higher ethanol blend (such as E-15 or E-20) to achieve the most efficient expansion of ethanol use. | |
SA 1613 | Coleman | Renewable Fuel Standard. Sets expanded targets for renewable fuel standard along with more aggressive component requirement for advanced biofuels as part of that RFS. | |
Tester, Byrd, Rockefeller, Salazar and Bingaman | Grant and Loan Program for Lower-GHG Coal Projects. Rejected by Yea-Nea vote 33-61, 19 June. | ||
SA 1615 | Collins, Cantwell, Snowe, Murray | Abrupt Climate Change Research Program. Establishes an office within NOAA to carry out a program of scientific research on abrupt climate change. | |
SA 1616 | Durbin and Carper | Requires State and metropolitan planning organization to publish a report describing use of Federal funds to reduce gasoline demand, lower household transportation expenditures, and increase mass transit. | |
SA 1617 | Tester | Regulatory plan for the long-term geologic storage of carbon dioxide. Requires the President acting through the Chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality to develop a plan that includes elements such as performance standards; minimum sequestration times without leakage; maximum acceptable leakage; and certification standards. | |
SA 1618 | Inhofe | Allows 100% tax deduction of expenditures for qualified 3D seismic data. | |
SA 1619 | Inhofe | Eliminates taxable income limit on percentage depletion for oil and natural gas produced from marginal properties. | |
SA 1620 | Inhofe | Increases tax exemptions for independent producers and royalty owners. | |
SA 1621 | Inhofe | Increases phaseout threshold credit for producing oil and gas from marginal wells. | |
SA 1622 | Inhofe | Expands the definition of “small refiner” from 75,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. |
Proposed Amendments to Senate Energy Bill (amended H.R.6) 18 June 2007 | |||
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Amendment | Sponsor(s) | Title and/or notes | |
SA 1623 | Carper | A schedule for the incorporation of fuel-efficient lean burn, hybrid or fuel-cell vehicles into the federal fleet. | |
SA 1624 | Dole and Carper | Specific inclusion of “flow batteries”. (Flow batteries are electrochemical energy storage devices, but unlike a conventional battery, the reaction occurs between two electrolytes rather than between an electrolyte and an electrode. The electrolytes are stored externally to the battery and circulated through the cell stack as needed.) | |
SA 1625 | Dole | Report on oil and gas operations in Sudan with respect to which sanctions are applicable. | |
SA 1626 | Dole | Replaces “oil consumption” with “reliance on foreign oil” in specification of reduction targets. | |
SA 1627 | Kohl and Burr | Definition of highly efficient commercial water heaters. | |
Bunning, Domenici, Enzi, Craig and Martinez | Clean Coal-Derived Fuels for Energy Security Act of 2007. Defines mandatory levels of coal-derived fuels (comparable to renewable fuels standard, but for CTL). Rejected by Yea-Nea vote 39-55, 19 June. | ||
SA 1629 | Kyl | Study of the feasibility and impact of renewable fuel and advanced biofuel requirements. | |
SA 1630 | Casey | Modifications to weatherization assistance for low-income persons. | |
SA 1631 | McCaskill | Renewable fuel pumps at Federal fleet refueling centers. | |
SA 1632 | Feingold | State energy conservation plans. | |
SA 1633 | Feingold | Modifications to biofuels incentives. | |
SA 1634 | Feingold | Protection for small business. | |
SA 1636 | Menendez | Study of the effect of private wire laws on the development of combined heat and power facilities. | |
SA 1637 | Landrieu | Extension and modification of credit for new energy efficient homes. | |
SA 1638 | Feinstein and Bennett | Schedule for energy management requirements for Federal buildings. | |
SA 1639 | Bingaman | Modifications to parameters for carbon capture and sequestration. | |
SA 1640 | Graham and Dorgan | Tax credits for hydrogen installation, infrastructure and fuel costs. | |
SA 1641 | Coleman | Expansion of definition of processing for biofuels to include harvest and storage. | |
SA 1642 | Cantwell | Modifications to definition of biomass harvesting. | |
SA 1643 | Cantwell | Study of the marginal production cost of requiring use of flexible fuel mixtures in vehicles. | |
SA 1644 | Cantwell | Study of smart grid system. | |
SA 1645 | Cantwell | Limitation on radio frequency interference levels in the 902-928 MHz band, used by many in oil and gas exploration. | |
SA 1646 | Cantwell | Requires on-board fuel economy indicators and devices beginning in model year 2012. | |
SA 1647 | Clinton, Sanders, Leahy, and Cantwell | Net metering and interconnection standards. | |
SA 1648 | Wyden, Harkin, Landrieu, Salazar | Assessment of carbon sequestration and methane and nitrous oxide emissions from terrestrial ecosystems. | |
SA 1649 | Reed | Energy efficiency residential guarantees. | |
SA 1650 | Reed | Public housing capital fund. | |
SA 1651 | McCaskill | Retail fuel fairness. Requires motor fuel dispensers that are newly installed or upgraded at any retail fuel establishment in the United States to be equipped with automatic temperature compensation equipment to ensure that any volume of gasoline or diesel fuel measured by the dispenser for retail sale is equal to the volume that such quantity of fuel would equal at the time of such sale if the temperature of the fuel was 60 degrees Fahrenheit. | |
SA 1652 | Hagel and Menendez | A program for traffic signal coordination. | |
SA 1653 | Hagel | Study of industrial applications of carbon dioxide. | |
SA 1654 | Hagel | Loan Program for Coal-to-Liquid and Gas-to-Liquid Technologies. CTL or GTL facilities that produce at least 150 million gallons of liquid transportation fuel per year to be eligible for loan guarantees of up to 50% of the project cost of the facility that is the subject of the guarantee, as estimated at the time at which the guarantee is issued; or $100 million. | |
SA 1655 | Hagel | Study of industrial applications of carbon dioxide. |
You know, after all this wrangling, I don't see a single amendment for a generalized carbon tax.
Posted by: Cervus | 19 June 2007 at 09:40 PM
Didn't I read on GCC that China was backing off its Bergius type CTL because of environmental concerns? The BBC website says China has now overtaken the US for emissions. Another recent newsitem was that coal fired electricity for PHEVs rather than CTL saved about 5% in GHGs.
If there was a binding carbon cap then a litre of CTL would 'take out' 2.3 litres of petroleum based fuel. So when legislators fly around the countryside looking for an audience that could be less heating oil for pensioners.
Posted by: Aussie | 19 June 2007 at 10:13 PM
The most recent episode of Emperor Fossil Theater
Posted by: jcwinnie | 20 June 2007 at 06:18 AM
Meanwhile, The Independent reports that the Earth today stands in imminent peril and nothing short of a planetary rescue will save it from the environmental cataclysm of dangerous climate change. Those are not the words of eco-warriors but the considered opinion of a group of eminent scientists writing in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
Posted by: jcwinnie | 20 June 2007 at 06:31 AM
Chuck Hagel seems to be stuck on a study of industrial applications for CO2, since he introduced two separate amendments with the exact same wording. Would carbonation of soda qualify?
NOPE C?? The Attorney General sues foreign oil for conducting BAU?
Posted by: gr | 20 June 2007 at 07:17 AM
Y'know, Debeers has had a pretty tidy diamond monopoly for half a century or more, and hasn't had much trouble selling their products in the US via middlemen. Given that the world price for oil is a world price, about the only thing such a measure as NOPEC could do is harangue the Saudis into increasing production.
Posted by: C Harget | 20 June 2007 at 11:57 AM
Where's the floor on crude prices so OPEC can't drop prices in order to kill competitors like they did back in the 1970s? Crude should be taxed if it drops below $50.00/barrel up to the $50.00/barrel price with the tax revenue earmarked for V2G PHEV development.
Posted by: Tim | 20 June 2007 at 01:17 PM
NOPEC 1519??? Only in the US would they consider litigating against an entire group of foreign nations. Good for a laugh.
Posted by: NeilPackrat | 20 June 2007 at 03:04 PM
Congress now has a 14% approval rating.(!!) Bush's approval might be sub-freezing, but Congress' are positively arctic. This is a record low.
When I read proposed legislation like this, the reasons are quite clear. It's worse than Dibbler's sausages-inna-bun.
Posted by: Cervus | 20 June 2007 at 05:12 PM
Just wait until big oil sees the final bills and goes after their payback for the campaign contibutions to both parties. It will more of the same - pork laden bills with pet projects by ranking members that ultimatly does little to get us out of the middle east.
Hello - remember nothing really changes in DC. Until there is REAL campaign reform its business as ussual.
The only hope is the marketplace - real demand for a electric car that can recharge in an hour(lithium ion nano tube batteries) and move 4 humans comfortably and doesn't cost over 20k - its coming!
Thats the hope I have - Not from a bunch of lawyers in DC.
Posted by: cburgs | 21 June 2007 at 04:20 AM