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Peugeot to Show Next Version of Diesel Hybrid Demonstrator at Frankfurt; A Step Closer to Commercialization in 2010

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The diesel 308 Hybrid HDi.

Peugeot will use the Frankfurt Motor Show for the world premiere of its new 308 Hybrid HDi, a diesel hybrid which emits 80g/km of CO2 and reduces fuel consumption by 58% in the NEDC Urban Drive Cycle compared to a standard 308 HDi.

The new 308 Hybrid HDi demonstrator represents another step on the path towards the planned commercialization of the technology in 2010. Further evaluation of the original Peugeot 307 Hybrid HDi demonstrator in 2006 (earlier post) has confirmed the choice of a diesel engine, instead of a gasoline engine, as the best option to provide the best reduction in fuel consumption and emissions, according to Peugeot.

The demonstrator’s parallel hybrid powerplant uses an 80 kW (107 hp) 1.6 HDi DPFS diesel engine coupled with a 16 kW (continuous) electric motor providing a maximum power output of 96 kW (129 hp)—comparable to that of the 308 with the 2.0 liter HDi DPFS 100 kW (134 hp) diesel engine—and a 6-speed electronically controlled manual gearbox. A 200V, 5.5 Ah NiMH battery pack provides energy storage, and is recharged via regenerative braking.

General dynamic performance is comparable to a standard 308 HDi. In-gear acceleration, however, both in town and on the open road, is improved with the Hybrid HDi. During in-gear acceleration, the diesel engine is backed up by the electric motor which is able on demand to deliver a power boost of up to 23 kW and 130 Nm (96 lb-ft) or torque.

Fuel consumption in the combined cycle is 3.4 l/100km (69 mpg US) and CO2 emissions are 90 g/km—reductions of 38% compared to an equivalent 308 diesel HDi model.

The engine has been designed to meet the future Euro 5 emissions requirements coming into force in 2009. The 308 Hybrid HDi offers an all-electric range for journeys in regulated urban centers. The vehicle’s aerodynamic profile and use of Michelin Energy Saver low rolling resistance tires further enhance its performance.

Compared to the previous 307 Hybrid HDi demonstrator presented in 2006, the focus of the development has now switched to concentrating on the packaging of the hybrid technology into the structure of the new 308, and to ensure its compatibility with the future Euro 5 emission standards.

To ensure a competitive purchase price, priority has been given to using as many components as possible from current Peugeot vehicles. This has enabled the number of specific parts associated with the hybridization of the 308 to be reduced by around 30% compared to the previous 307 Hybrid HDi demonstrator.

The vehicle is started by a customary ignition key but, unlike a conventional vehicle, this does not start the diesel engine. The electric motor alone is responsible for starting and driving at low speed, while only the diesel engine is used on open roads and highways, with both units coming into play simultaneously to provide quicker acceleration. The system is fitted with a 6-speed electronically controlled manual gearbox able to operate in automatic or manual sequential mode.

A special button provides access to an all-electric “ZEV” Zero Emission Vehicle mode. Operation of the diesel engine is then restricted to more pronounced acceleration phases or high speed driving.

All the powertrain operating modes are controlled by a Power Train Management Unit (PTMU) according to the driver’s requirements.

The driver is informed in real time of the powertrain operating mode by a schematic diagram on the vehicle’s colour multifunction display. Other information is also available, such as the battery charge status or the power train operation mode.

Comments

jack

I'll make a wager with anyone that wants to here and now, for $100 dollars. By 2012, we will not be concerned with atmospheric CO2; and we will regard it like the quaint concern for acid rain, or Y2K hysteria, or the atmosphere igniting due to nuclear bomb explosions.

I'll take that bet, just raise it to $100,000 or your net worth in 2012, whichever is less.

dollared

@Stan:

I am so glad that we have Stan - with 96-97% of all climate scientists in the world enmeshed in this mass hysteria we call "Climate Science," our only hope to see the truth is one retired Republican naysayer with too much time on his hands.

Stan, please give us the same level of warning when the Black Helicopters are on the horizon. Thanks, man.

jack

It's like taking money from a baby. The Science is in; It has been published in genuine peer-reviewed Scientific papers. The knowledge just hasn't permeated to the pop press and the non-scientific community.

You're the guy who believes that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 haven't increased during the past 150 years and that North America has CO2 monitors at two giant "windows" on the west and the east.

Pray tell, give us links to the "science which is in" in "genuine peer-review scientific papers" (which is laughably redundant).

So is there a limit to the number of people you're willing to bet? Again, my offer is US$100,000.

Cervus

Stan:

Enough is enough. This is not the place to stand on a soap box and shout that you think AGW is a hoax.

If you can't support efficiency and alternative energy measures for that reason, you can support them for energy security reasons. I really suggest you drop the AGW issue otherwise.

You're an embarassment to scientifically-minded conservatives like me. We get enough froth and spittle from other commenters here, and you're not adding anything to this discussion.

correct me if I'm wrong here folks, but by the year 2010, I am reasonably sure that the EPA standards will mirror those of our European counterparts. If that is the case, then I see no reason why this type of vehicle would not be available here in the US other than simple greed and or politics of the big 3 getting in the way.... No matter how anyone looks at it, these guys are on the right track and I for one am looking forward to seeing this kind of open competition on the market here in the US.

Bob Bastard

It must be tough for you Stan, considering even your own beloved Republican party, and Bushy himself are starting to get caught up in the "hysteria." But even if you are obtuse enough to still think that it's all nonsense, why would you care if others go on believing it and using it as a reason to reduce fuel consumption, since fuel usage and CO2 output are directly proportional. Certainly, you cannot think that wasteful usage of a finite resource, and the enrichment of some entities who are very hostile to Western interests, can you?

Rafael Seidl

@ -

"by the year 2010 [...] EPA standards will mirror those of our European counterparts"

This applies more or less for the sulfur content of diesel fuel. It does not apply to permitted HC, CO, PM and NOx levels nor to the test procedures for measuring them.

Specifically, car makers can still meet current Euro4 and the upcoming Euro5 limit on NOx from diesels without any expensive aftertreatment systems. Those are de facto required to sell diesel LDVs in all 50 states in the US.

Also, the fact that Citroen, Peugeot and Fiat are not present in the US market has a lot to do with the strong Euro, the price/performance expectations of US consumers, the financial health of those brands and, past failures to secure adequate market share in the US. I expect they regularly check if the situation has changed sufficiently to warrant a return to the US in some guise.

Jack

I want GM to buy Peugeot, and import these suckers. Hey, rebrand them if you need to. I JUST WANT MY PEUGEOT!!!

Andrey

The beauty of this hybrid concept is that it could be dropped into any modern diesel car without much troubles. Small production diesel, production automated transmission, proven Ni-Mh battery (no need for newest Li technology), electric motor and some power electronics and controls. Since diesel consumes very little fuel at idle, no need to start-stop feature, regenerative braking is just fine. Also no need for electric AC, electric steering and brake assist.

Diesel fuel in Europe is about 15% cheaper then gasoline, yet packs about 12% more energy per liter, diesel engine is still more efficient then even fanciest lean-burn DI gasoline, and emission regulation in EU will not require expensive NOx aftertreatment for a long time. Gasoline is about twice more expensive in Europe then in US, and more then half of new passenger vehicles sold are diesel-powered. As long as mentioned above conditions hold, such diesel hybrid could be cheaper to operate on dollar-per-mile basis then Prius. Again, in Europe.

Michel

@Andrey and others!
1. To operate a Peugeot 107 patrol is cheaper than operating the HDI model of the 107! (Despite Diesel oil promotion with lesser taxes per liter oil).
2.Cap/Taxi companies in Berlin/Germany realised that operating a Prius is cheaper than operating any other Diesel cap in service! Some Rent a Car services offer Prius in their fleet due to the same reason!
3. Stan has made a interesting point. Do you guys think, we humans stop using oil immediatly? Please figure out how much CO2 is stored in the oil reserves under ground aviable in the earth for let´s say "cheap" 100$ per br. Add it to the already exitsing CO2 in the athmosphere! There is only one question. How long does this process need (e.g. 30years or maybe 38) and what kind of difference the time difference could make to global warming?
4. EURO V is being implemented in favour to Franco-German car industry. Diesel cars are only promoted by EU due to strategical reasons and for transport "bizzness" and farmers (in particular in the poor French and Polish country side). I have to figure out wheather thought has been given to health and environmental issues. It seems to be rather the question what´s the whole amount of exepted and excepted fatal casualties p.a. in Europe due to traffic emmisions (in particular Diesel cars and trucks) by the European Union and than taken into the policy making process?

For cities like Paris or London it would be very nice to substitute every Diesel car with a Prius or even as a cheaper alternative with a Peugeot 107 / Citroen C1 patrol (or forthwith introduction of EVs). The same can be applied for US-cities (substituting gas guzzler with the named frugal cars).
Unfortunately, these frugal cars are not masculine enough. But this is mostly a question about design and easly solvable.
Once upon a time, a cigaret in one corner of the mouth was regared as masculin. Still the case? Maybe in France, Poland and Germany.

C. Spangenberg

Year 2000 : prius2size Audi A2 1.2 : 3.0 L Diesel Fuel - 81 G CO2 w i t h o u t Hybrid . Peugeot in 2010 80 G CO2 thanks hybrid .

So within 10 Years 1 G CO2 - thats Progress !

jack

Year 2000 : prius2size Audi A2 1.2 : 3.0 L Diesel Fuel - 81 G CO2 w i t h o u t Hybrid . Peugeot in 2010 80 G CO2 thanks hybrid . So within 10 Years 1 G CO2 - thats Progress !

Where can I buy this wonderful car? Oh - they stopped selling it.

What was the CO2 output of the EV1, by the way? Connected to renewables or nuclear - 0 g/km. How's that selling?

The current Prius, under JC08 standards, is rated at 78 g/km in Japan. Oh, and they actually keep selling those, because they're afforable and practical, unlike that soot machine you keep touting.

clett

"that soot machine"

SULEV diesel is no problem.

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http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/08/ricardo-announc.html

jack

SULEV diesel is no problem.

The Audi A2 1.2 TDI is far from SULEV.

I'll applaud SULEV diesels once they start getting road experience and start proving themselves (economically and technically). It looks good, though.

swen

Hmmm. First wasp-faced car I've seen.

Just give me a plug-in hybrid that runs on
ethanol. Don't tell me there's not going
to be enough ethanol. My car is going to be
used mostly for commutes. I won't be burning
that much ethanol. I also want Santa to bring
me a photovoltaic array for my roof so I can
charge it from the sun. Is that too much to ask?

cidi

Peugeot will use the Frankfurt Motor Show for the world premiere of its new 308 Hybrid HDi, a diesel hybrid which emits 80g/km of CO2 and reduces fuel consumption by 58% in the NEDC Urban Drive Cycle compared to a standard 308 HDi. -- article

The current Prius, under JC08 standards, is rated at 78 g/km in Japan. -- jack

What is the point of comparing two widely different cycles?

jack

What is the point of comparing two widely different cycles?

How do you know they're "widely different"? I believe the Japanese version of the Prius has a wider all-EV mode which leads to greater efficiency than we see in the US or Europe. Since Peugeot's car is a demonstration vehicle, not a production one, the numbers are speculative until tested.

C. Spangenberg

Comparing equal german cycles the prius2 has 104 G CO2 and the Audi A2 1.2 81 G CO2 . By the way the Audi was the more affordable and practical car and that already without hybrid in the year 2000 ! ( But there was no advertisement by german politicians the prius2 got )

If Peugeot promises 80 G in 2010 with hybrid than in ten years you have a 1 G CO2 progress .

cidi

How do you know they're "widely different"? -- jack

The Internet is your friend, amazing what you can find on it.

jack

The Internet is your friend, amazing what you can find on it.

Yes, it is. Perhaps you can use it to illustrate whatever point you think you're making.

Roger Pham

"For cities like Paris or London it would be very nice to substitute every Diesel car with a Prius or even as a cheaper alternative with a Peugeot 107 / Citroen C1 petrol..."

Thanks, Michel, for supporting my point earlier, that is, to cut cost, a simple Atkinson-cycle gasoline (petrol) engine would make the "hybride" more affordable than the diesel version. With sufficient production number, the 6-speed transmission could be simplified to a 3-4-speed unit to save on cost and weight, due to the high torque boost of the electric motor.

cidi

Yes, it is. Perhaps you can use it to illustrate whatever point you think you're making.

Well, the NEDC accelerates harder, has a top speed 50% higher than JC08, and spends more time at higher speed than JC08 (try Google and GCC for references). The current Prius emits 33% more CO2 on the NEDC than on the JC08; on the JC08 it gets even better mileage than the old EPA.

It remains to be seen how the Peugeot will do in the real world, but that has nothing to do with comparisons using different measurement scales, which is akin to saying 32 Fahrenheit is warmer than 0 Celsius.

jack

Well, the NEDC accelerates harder, has a top speed 50% higher than JC08, and spends more time at higher speed than JC08 (try Google and GCC for references). The current Prius emits 33% more CO2 on the NEDC than on the JC08; on the JC08 it gets even better mileage than the old EPA.

You missed the part about certain Japanese versions of the Prius being different than ones available elsewhere, so your numbers are off. EV modes are different, and the Japanese version weighs up to 65 kg less than the European version.

It remains to be seen how the Peugeot will do in the real world, but that has nothing to do with comparisons using different measurement scales, which is akin to saying 32 Fahrenheit is warmer than 0 Celsius.

As you said, the Peugeot hasn't been officially tested, nor does it have real-world performance data, and unless it's going to be sold in Japan, we won't know how it will stack up against the JDM Prius. Regardless, even under the new JC08 standards (which drop its fuel economy and increase its CO2 numbers), the S Grade Prius still achieves under 80 g/km for CO2.

C. Spangenberg

"Regardless, even under the new JC08 standards (which drop its fuel economy and increase its CO2 numbers), the S Grade Prius still achieves under 80 g/km for CO2."

Regardless it is than again over 25% more CO2 with hybrid than the about equal size Audi A2 1.2 did already in the year 2000 w i t h o u t hybrid !

So looking again for a new standard ? ;-)

jack

Regardless it is than again over 25% more CO2 with hybrid than the about equal size Audi A2 1.2 did already in the year 2000 w i t h o u t hybrid !

A2 1.2 TDi - 81 g/km
Prius S grade - 78 g/km

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