Greenland Deglaciating at Triple the Rate of Last Year; Ice Loss in Antarctic Shifting Bedrock
16 December 2008
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The survey of 32 of the largest Greenland tidewater glaciers indicates a continuous collective retreat end of summer 2000 onward to 2008. Click to enlarge. |
The amount of ice lost from Greenland this summer is nearly three times what was lost one year ago, in itself a record-setting year, according to researchers from Ohio State University (OSU). They presented their findings Monday at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) Meeting in San Francisco.
A separate study by a different team of OSU researchers, also presented at the AGU meeting on Monday, found that as ice melts away from Antarctica, parts of the continental bedrock are rising in response, while other parts are sinking.
Greenland ice loss. The loss of floating ice in 2008 from Greenland’s glaciers would cover an area twice the size of Manhattan Island in the US, according to the research team. Jason Box, an associate professor of geography at Ohio State, said that the loss of ice since the year 2000 is 355.4 square miles (920.5 square kilometers), or more than 10 times the size of Manhattan.
We now know that the climate doesn’t have to warm any more for Greenland to continue losing ice. It has probably passed the point where it could maintain the mass of ice that we remember.
But that doesn’t mean that Greenland’s ice will all disappear. It’s likely that it will probably adjust to a new ‘equilibrium’ but before it reaches the equilibrium, it will shed a lot more ice. Greenland is deglaciating and actually has been doing so for most of the past half-century.
The research team has been monitoring satellite images of Greenland to gauge just how much ice flows from landlocked glaciers towards the ocean to form floating ice shelves. Eventually, large pieces of these ice shelves will break off into the sea, speeding up the flow of more glacial ice to add to the shelves.
Warming of the climate around Greenland is believed to have added to the increased flow of ice outward from the mainland via these huge glaciers.
We know that snowfall rates have increased recently in this region, but that hasn’t been enough to compensate for the increased melt rate of the ice that we’re seeing now.
—Jason Box
Using daily images from instruments called MODIS (Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer) aboard two of NASA’s satellites, Box and his team are able to monitor changes in 32 of the largest glaciers along Greenland’s coast.
They determined that during the summer of 2006-2007, the floating ice shelves at the seaward end of those glaciers had diminished by 24.29 square miles (62.9 square kilometers. But one year later—the summer of 2007-2008—the ice loss had nearly tripled to nearly 71 square miles (183.8 square kilometers). Much of this additional loss is from a single large floating ice tongue called the Petermann glacier.
Late this summer, a massive 11-square-mile (29-square kilometer) chunk broke off from the tongue of the Petermann Glacier in Northern Greenland. At the time, they also noted that a massive crack further up the ice shelf suggested an even larger piece of ice would soon crack off.
Their research is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
Antarctic bedrock. The results in the Antarctic study came from trio of global positioning system (GPS) sensor networks on the continent. Terry Wilson, associate professor of earth sciences at Ohio State University, leads POLENET, a growing network of GPS trackers and seismic sensors implanted in the bedrock beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). POLENET is reoccupying sites previously measured by the West Antarctic GPS Network (WAGN) and the Transantarctic Mountains Deformation (TAMDEF) network.
In separate sessions at the AGU meeting, Michael Bevis, Ohio Eminent Scholar in geodyamics and professor of earth sciences at Ohio State, presented results from WAGN, while doctoral student Michael Willis presented results from TAMDEF.
Taken together, the three projects yield the best view yet of what’s happening under the ice.
When satellites measure the height of the WAIS, scientists calculate ice thickness by subtracting the height of the earth beneath it. They must take into account whether the bedrock is rising or falling. Ice weighs down the bedrock, but as the ice melts, the earth slowly rebounds.
Gravity measurements, too, rely on knowledge of the bedrock. As the crust under Antarctica rises, the mantle layer below it flows in to fill the gap. That mass change must be subtracted from Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellite measurements in order to isolate gravity changes caused by the thickening or thinning of the ice.
Before POLENET and its more spatially limited predecessors, scientists had few direct measurements of the bedrock. They had to rely on computer models, which now appear to be incorrect.
When you compare how fast the earth is rising, and where, to the models of where ice is being lost and how much is lost—they don’t match. There are places where the models predict no crustal uplift, where we see several millimeters of uplift per year. We even have evidence of other places sinking, which is not predicted by any of the models.
—Terry Wilson
POLENET’s GPS sensors measure how much the crust is rising or falling, while the seismic sensors measure the stiffness of the bedrock—a key factor for predicting how much the bedrock will rise in the future.
We’re pinning down both parts of this problem, which will improve the correction made to the satellite data, which will in turn improve what we know about whether we’re gaining ice or losing ice.
—Terry Wilson
Better estimates of sea level rise can then follow.
POLENET scientists have been implanting sensors in Antarctica since December 2007. The network will be complete in 2010 and will record data into 2012. Selected sites may remain as a permanent Antarctic observational network.
Ohio State’s POLENET partners in the United States are Pennsylvania State University, the University of Texas at Austin, New Mexico Tech, Washington University, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and the University of Memphis. A host of international partners are part of the effort as well. POLENET is funded by the National Science Foundation.
and the conclusions are...????
Posted by: | 16 December 2008 at 05:51 AM
2007 had a record ice loss.
2008 had three times as much loss as 2007 ...
so how bad does the situation need to get before people admit this is a problem?
Posted by: John Taylor | 16 December 2008 at 06:42 AM
An article in 21st Century Science and Technology states: “Since 1980, there has been an advance of more than 55% of the 625 mountain glaciers under observation by the World Glacier Monitoring group in Zurich. (From 1926 to 1960, some 70-95% of these glaciers were in retreat.)”
Environment & Climate News recently reported “the 2005-2007 data confirm Greenland's ice melt has returned to normal.”
summer temperatures at the summit of the ice sheet have declined 2.2 degrees C. per decade since 1987.
Posted by: | 16 December 2008 at 07:14 AM
John:
We may be coming closer to the end of a regular prolonged Ice Age.
The Earth apparently had more extended Ice-free Ages than Ice Ages.
Our survival rate may be much better during extended Ice-free Ages than prolonged Ice Ages.
Are we sure we know what we want and what is best for us? We may not all want the same climate. Can we really reverse or significantly affect the natural climate changes? Do we have the means to stabilize or neutralize climate changes? What effective control do we have on the heat sources?
Do we over-estimate our past, present and future climatic role?
Burning all the remaining fossil fuels may take less than 100 years. That's a very short time.
Cellulosic syn-gas and agro-fuels could be mostly CO2 neutral.
Clean electricity can be produced to meet all our future energy needs.
Wood burning for human needs and comfort would no longer be required.
Who knows, we may have to find a way (after 2100) to produce more CO2 to avoid falling into a new ICE Age.
Posted by: HarveyD | 16 December 2008 at 08:52 AM
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WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! Yes, it's true: Some day every one of us will die. Hyperventilating about religions such as Globalwarming and Climatechange will only expedite the process.
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Posted by: | 16 December 2008 at 09:23 AM
Curing the symptoms of hyperventilation basically consists of stopping the behavior. Calm, slower, more shallow breathing is in order. Rebreathing exhaled carbon dioxide (CO2) by breathing into a paper sack is helpful. As the CO2 level in the paper bag rises, so will the CO2 level in the bloodstream rise, restoring normal acidity and normal blood calcium levels.
Huh? I thought CO2 was a toxin!
Posted by: | 16 December 2008 at 09:41 AM
"so how bad does the situation need to get before people admit this is a problem?"
Judging by the posts that followed yours; I'd say some people never will. :(
Posted by: ai_vin | 16 December 2008 at 01:16 PM
Water isn't toxic either, but I don't particularly want our coastal cities covered in it.
Posted by: GoodCheer | 16 December 2008 at 01:38 PM
Every year alarmists find new “sky is falling” story. Last summer it was record melt of floating ice in Arctic. This year floating ice refreeze to normal state at record speed. Once it was melting of Antarctica. After more accurate research melting was moved to West Antarctica (1/3 of Antarctic ice), then to Antarctic Peninsula (3% of Antarctic landmass). But of cource corrections were issued only in super small print.
Now so called scientists bragging that floating ice shelves are disintegrating, and of course because of warming. Despite that all data shows that at least Antarctica is, in fact, cooling. They conveniently forget to mention that ice drift depends on two main parameters: temperature down below 2 kilometers of ice (how sensitive it is to surface warming?), and amount of ice. The truth is that snow deposition and ice creation deep into Antarctica and in Greenland mainland are increasing, and consequently flow of ice to the oceans increases too. This ice has nowhere to go but to break off into ocean.
Posted by: Andrey Levin | 16 December 2008 at 09:40 PM
Humans tinkering with the climate (by releasing CO2) is like letting a 10 yr old fly a 747 airliner...they'd have no idea what they were doing and would be very likely crash.
So why take that chance? why not refrain from tinkering until we have some idea what the consequences are?
Posted by: danm | 17 December 2008 at 07:13 AM
"Judging by the posts that followed yours; I'd say some people never will. :( "
Actually, most people are just tired of the alarmism, the whole global warming group-think is emotionally driven. Most people realize that the possibility of global warming is serious.
Average global temperatures are down right now though.... so the jury is still out on what is going on. Glaciers are advancing in many parts of the world, retreating in other parts.
Posted by: Jay Tee | 17 December 2008 at 08:02 AM
"Humans tinkering with the climate (by releasing CO2) is like letting a 10 yr old fly a 747 airliner..."
Or like aliens tinkering with a planet. Except that the 747 can fly itself - as can many planets.
Posted by: zardoz | 17 December 2008 at 08:32 AM
Posted by: Engineer-Poet | 17 December 2008 at 09:36 AM
"This year floating ice refreeze to normal state at record speed."
In area covered - maybe. But not in thickness of sea ice. When Arctic sea ice shows a record retreat followed by a refreeze it means 'multi-year ice' has been replaced by 'single winter ice.' SWI is thinner and more likely to remelt faster next summer.
"Every year alarmists find new “sky is falling” story."
And every year AGW denialists find a new fraud story to say 'nothing's happening.'
Posted by: ai_vin | 17 December 2008 at 12:49 PM
Has anyone drilled down to check for the bedrock warming up due to Volcanic heating of the ground where these glacers are melting.
I think there is a good possibility of the good old earth warming things up down below causing the melting and the bed rock raising and falling.
In Alaska there is a mountain that had a rock face above ground that was around 140 degrees F back in 1994 I wonder what it is now?
Posted by: Gord Currie | 17 December 2008 at 03:36 PM
I see the persons name who posted goes under the line that is the bottom border for the posted remark.
Posted by: Gord Currie | 17 December 2008 at 03:39 PM
Ai vin:
Simple search for “Arctic ice” in Green Car Congress web site revealed 150 picks.
Guess what, at least 50 report in panic mode that summer 2007 Arctic melt is at all-time (about 30 years of reliable observation, BTW) record high.
Not a single article reported that summer 2008 ice was about normal, and autumn 2008 freeze was fastest on record.
Now, THIS is the fraud.
Posted by: Andrey Levin | 17 December 2008 at 08:23 PM
Hey A-Hole you forgot to mention the 21st Century Science and Technology mission statement
In other words, these people are f*%king loonys.
Posted by: DS | 17 December 2008 at 08:46 PM
I think we are just talking about the problem without taking any action.
If we switch off the AC, Heaters, Lights, Computer Monitors when not in use, we can save energy and also reduce pollution.
Posted by: Max Reid | 17 December 2008 at 11:52 PM
Let's end the "denialist" BS as it has become an anti-Semitic remark by those who apparently think so little of the Holocaust and its survivors - that they attack good, cogent scientists with differing points of view about man-made CO2. It is an insult and disservice to the men and women who died in the Holocaust and those who died to put an end to the totalitarian Third Reich.
Get honest.
Posted by: sulleny | 18 December 2008 at 06:10 PM
I had an aunt with numbers tatooed on her arm and I'll use the "denialist" label whenever it fits because I am being honest.
Posted by: ai_vin | 18 December 2008 at 09:06 PM
21st Century Science and Technology is published by Lyndon LaRouche. That's where teh crazy comes from.
Posted by: Engineer-Poet | 19 December 2008 at 03:21 PM
Andrey you wrote:
>> Not a single article reported that summer 2008 ice was about normal, and autumn 2008 freeze was fastest on record.
Now, THIS is the fraud. <<
Regarding Arctic Ice, there's a great website that shows you what's going on there by the scientists pulling down the satellite photos and what you state is not true. The site is here:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
At this point the 2008 freeze is where the 2007 freeze was at the same time of the year. And 2008 summer was no where close to the average summer ice cover from 1970-2000 (which was probably smaller than the rest of 20th century) and the was no where near the average with the winter, spring and fall cover. It wasn't as extensive as 2007 but was still the 2nd lowest. If it gets colder and closes up that would be great, but that's not the trend.
Whether it makes global warming true or not, 2008 was the 2nd year where you could sail a boat from the Atlantic to the Pacific over the top of the world and not see ice blocking your way.
No fraud with regards ice cover in the arctic in 2008.
Posted by: Sasparilla | 23 December 2008 at 12:03 PM