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Volkswagen presenting e-up! and e-Golf EVs at Frankfurt

e-up! and e-Golf.

In a dual world premiere, Volkswagen will present two EVs at the International Motor Show (IAA) in Frankfurt: the e-up! (earlier post) and e-Golf (earlier post). The e-up! is highly efficient, with energy consumption of 11.7 kWh of electricity per 100 km (117 Wh/km) on the European cycle. (As a comparison, although not exact because of drive cycle differences, the Fiat 500e has an EPA-rated energy consumption of 18 kWh/100 km, or 180 Wh/km; the smart fortwo electric drive consumes 20 kWh/100 km, or 200 Wh/km.)

The e-Golf, positioned two classes higher than the e-up!, has an energy consumption rating of 12.7 kWh/100 km (127 Wh/km). Given an electricity price of €0.258 per kWh ($0.35/kWh) in Germany (as of 31 July 2013), driving 100 km there with the e-up! costs €3.02 ($4.04), and with the e-Golf it is around €3.30 ($4.42).

Volkswagen developed the e-motors, gearboxes and lithium-ion batteries of the e-up! and e-Golf in-house, and they are manufactured in large Volkswagen component plants in Germany.

The e-Golf is driven by a 85 kW / 114 hp electric motor, with maximum torque of 270 N·m (199 lb-ft). The e-Golf reaches 100 km/h in 10.4 seconds. On a motorway, the speed of the five-seat front-wheel drive car is electronically limited to 140 km/h (87 mph).

The electric motor in the four-seat e-up! produces 60 kW / 80 hp, with 210 N·m (155 lb-ft) of torque. Acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h takes 12.4 seconds; top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph).

The e-up! can drive 160 km (99 miles) on one battery charge (18.7 kWh), while the e-Golf with its larger battery (24.2 kWh) has a range of 190 km (118 miles). In both models, two very efficient driving modes (“Eco”, “Eco+”) and four regenerative braking modes (“D1”, “D2”, “D3” and “B”) help to extend maximum ranges. In Germany, studies by the Federal Ministry for Transport, Building and Urban Development found that around 80% of all car drivers in Germany drive fewer than 50 km (31 miles) daily.

Powertrain and fuel strategy. Over the past decade, Volkswagen has sketched out a schedule for the future in its powertrain and fuel strategy, which included starting points for electric vehicles such as the e-up! and e-Golf. (Earlier post.) This strategy sets up a timeline with realistic time windows for the introduction of alternative drive systems such as the hybrid, electric and hydrogen-based systems.

In this scenario, the all-electric drive system—as demonstrated by the new e-up! and e-Golf—represents what Volkswagen calls “an indispensable and sensible supplemental drive system”. That, the company says, is because electric cars can utilize renewable energy sources and enable zero-emissions mobility in metropolitan areas. Nonetheless, well into the future Volkswagen will continue to promote an intelligent mix of the most efficient drive systems.

The target group for electric cars is growing, Volkswagen adds, because a paradigm shift has begun. Sustainable mobility is having an increasing impact on people’s actions.



Well...with our clean Hydro-electricity 6 times cheaper than electricity in Germany, an e-Golf could be locally driven for 100 Km for about $4.42/6 = $0.74? That is much better than gasoline at $5.25 to $5.50/gal?

If the price is right, we could use a few million e-Golf and greately reduce Crude Oil import **, pollution, car operation cost and use some of the current clean electricity surpluses?

** about 100% of the crude oïl we use is currently imported.


Still at 30000 dollars for the e-golf
compared with 19000 for the golf with 33 mpg
you have to drive it 66000+ miles to get you money back
but here where i live it is 3.50 right now that is over 100 thousand miles and probably be almost 5 years
how much are you going to get for the e-golf in tradein
compared to the golf both with 100 thousand miles


127 wH / km is very good indeed, if it is borne out in real life.
If you live in France or a hydro heavy part of the world (like HarveyD), you can enjoy guilt free motoring for a moderate initial cost.
One advantage of the very efficient EV is the longer range for a given battery size.

However, better see how it goes in real world testing.

+ it sounds a little complex - 2 drive modes and 4 braking modes !!!!

I think you just want a big green "Start" button.


127Wh/km is good even if it is not borne out in real life, so to speak.
What I mean by that is that it is around 5 miles/kwh, so even if in normal driving you get something over 4 miles/kwh, that is good, as this is a substantially bigger car than the Leaf.
Of course, they have performed miracles in lightweighting without the use of expensive and exotic materials, which is an enabler for that sort of performance.


Still at 30000 dollars for the e-golf
compared with 19000 for the golf with 33 mpg
you have to drive it 66000+ miles to get you money back

The purpose of BEVs is not to save money (although, in the long term you will) it is to save oil.


How often is a brand new technology immediately cheaper than the clunky old version? I remember when a CD player cost £1,000.


as i have pointed out before CD is using moores law
cars use chemistry until they come up with something differnt than lithium ion car batteries are not going to get that much cheaper. Secondly VW and all car makers are in it for profit not charity. VW has as diesel now that get 50 plus mpg but they charge 5000 more. So they can get both customers, If the E-GOLF every gets much cheaper VW will lower the cost of the GOLF. Nothing would make me happier than not to have to go to the Gas station. But if profit is to be made someone is going to pay.


danschl: The cost of lithium-ion car batteries decreased from $1,000 per kWh to ~$430 per kWh in the last few years.

Why don't you think it could get much cheaper?


mahonj: Agreed. Keep it simple. :)

Kompulsa - GE - Where Knowledge Empowers You.


It is not just the price of the batteries.
As production increases costs for other components, including the electric motors etc, will come to experience the economies of scale that ICE cars already enjoy


Car companies dont want to develop BE cars.
Because they lose all of the on going maintenance
oil changes, fluids, belts, transmission fluids.

A true BE would be motor,battery,brakes and tires
Average car maintance in the usa last year was about 500 dollars

Plus it would be fun to see how many Exxon executies are on car company board of directors


And as if to underline what I said yesterday about saving oil: "Oil prices surged this morning with US crude leaping to a two-year high as investors prepared for a possible western military strike on Syria.

Although Syria is not a major oil producer or transit point, investors fear that western intervention there could spill over into the rest of the region, potentially affecting oil supplies from other producers such as Iraq."


Car companies dont want to develop BE cars.
Because they lose all of the on going maintenance
oil changes, fluids, belts, transmission fluids.

True, which is why it took a guy like Elon Musk to not only make the best car EVER;
He's also giiving us a better way of getting one;


Future lower cost, longer range, Tesla's Model X, Y and Z will come as clean shocks to many ICEVs fans?


Still at 30000 dollars for the e-golf
compared with 19000 for the golf with 33 mpg
you have to drive it 66000+ miles to get you money back
but here where i live it is 3.50 right now that is over 100 thousand miles and probably be almost 5 years

Ahh but if you lived in the US and had enough taxable income to buy one of these you'd have to factor in the $7,500 federal tax credit. If you lived in Colorado you'd also have another $4,000 tax credit which would mean you'd have a positive pay back by the time you drove it home.

Here in California where we're paying $4.05 per gallon and .14 /kwh and with a $2,500 state tax credit you would have to drive it a 10,000 miles or so to recoup the price delta....but in my personal case my employer doesn't charg anything to charge at work and my PV system at home produces surplus already so it would take me about 8,000 miles to reach the BEP. That of course is ignoring the lower maintenance costs. The real benefit though would be using the HOV lanes that an ICE Golf can't legally do with only one passenger.

Of course it is still much more cost effective for me to continue to make my 25 mile commute by bicycle.


Oops. I was wrong about Colorado. It is actually $6,000. Illinois and Georgia are $4,000.

Colorado 6,000
Illinois 4,000
Georgia 4,000
Texas 3,500
Calif 2,500
N Jersey 1,600+ (7% of $19,000 (sales price) + usage fees)
Maryland 1,000

That is more than a 100 million people and a third of the country.

Thomas Pedersen


The 3-level energy recuperation of the electric Golf has been quite revered in the reviews I have read. The drivers found it very useful and easy to use. The strongest level of 'engine brake' actually activates the brake lights.

But feel free to not use this option, and just leave it in your preferred mode.

Of course, you could have sailing mode as default, and recuperate with light application of the brake pedal. But is that even legal to do without activating the brake lights?


tax credit is like obama money
comes out of everyone pocket
in taxes and higher fees or one less teacher

Everyone in the usa gets the priveledge of paying for someone to buy a car that wouldnt be bought on merits.
I dont see tax credits on may corolla



"about 100% of the crude oïl we use is currently imported."

I believe that you live in Canada. You need to check your facts. Canada is a net exporter of oil and natural gas.

Or were you referring to Quebec? Maybe Quebec has finally become an independent country and I missed the news.


@danschl've abandoned the "personal interest" argument and are seeking refuge in the "greater good" angle so lets look at that.

The federal tax credits for EVs were estimated to cost 9 billion from 2012 until 2020. That is a bit over a billion dollars per year. The very same Federal government gives tax incentives of 4-11 billion PER YEAR to the oil industry so using your logic everyone gets the privilege of paying for someone to buy gas that wouldn't be bought on merits. That isn't even factoring in the portion of our defense budget which is currently necessary to protect the flow of foreign oil that so many are addicted to. If you're anti-tax credit for American citizens then you'd be anti-tax credit for corporations that are increasingly foreign owned...right?



Our oil fields are located in Western Canada, particularly in Alberta, far removed from the main population and industrial centers in Ontario and Quebec, and many of our oil refineries cannot handle the types of oil (bitumen) produced in Canada so we import lighter crude.

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